Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Scenario 1: Starrk stomps.Scenario 2: I take it you made this so that Nagato could absorb Starrk's ceros? We already assume their energies are equivalent, afaik.
Starrk still stomps though.
actually i think nagato could pull it all of his techiniques are strngethened when he uses them plus he can counter all of starrks attacks and still has his haxx summonings to help him.
Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
actually i think nagato could pull it all of his techiniques are strngethened when he uses them plus he can counter all of starrks attacks and still has his haxx summonings to help him.
He cannot counter Starrk's Wolves, or getting his head cut off. Starrk's far too fast for Nagato to counter him anyway.
Nagato has no hax summons. Gedo Mazo is extremely overpowered, but not broken. Chameleon and multi-headed dog, which cannot be beaten via physical means apparently, are good, but still not hax. The rest are all fairly generic. Starrk would still easily get past his Summons.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
He is still far too slow to do anything but die really. Stark will not even need his guns to kill Nagato.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
He cannot counter Starrk's Wolves, or getting his head cut off. Starrk's far too fast for Nagato to counter him anyway.Nagato has no hax summons. Gedo Mazo is extremely overpowered, but not broken. Chameleon and multi-headed dog, which cannot be beaten via physical means apparently, are good, but still not hax. The rest are all fairly generic. Starrk would still easily get past his Summons.
Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
im talking about uninjured nagato and we have a hint of his seed as he dodged all of hanzo exploding tags which were enar instantaneous and when channeling his power through deva path it was able to out run six tailed naruto and a rasenshuriken.
Gaara's sand shield from when he was like 8 could block explosions from point blank. That isn't special. Neither is dodging a Rasenshuriken or out-running 6 Tails Naruto(who I don't think has much in the way of speed showings).
Stark in his weakest form managed to appear in front of Orihime before Ichigo so much as knew he was there and got away before he or Kenpachi could do anything to stop him. He then proceeded to go toe to toe with a man who can leap miles in a flash iirc.
Stark is far and away much too fast for Nagato to react to or even hurt.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Gaara's sand shield from when he was like 8 could block explosions from point blank. That isn't special. Neither is dodging a Rasenshuriken or out-running 6 Tails Naruto(who I don't think has much in the way of speed showings).Stark in his weakest form managed to appear in front of Orihime before Ichigo so much as knew he was there and got away before he or Kenpachi could do anything to stop him. He then proceeded to go toe to toe with a man who can leap miles in a flash iirc.
Stark is far and away much too fast for Nagato to react to or even hurt.
ummm actually the only time i have seen young gaara block a explosion was when yashamaru tried to kill him and actually showed the bombs attached to him before he did it so he had enough time to shield himself. otherwise i haven't seen him block a explosion at a young age so i don't know what your saying. It is loggic that naruto speed is increased dramtically as one tail naruto ***** slapped oro in the blink of an eye and oro was fast so logically six tailed naruto is extremely fast. Rasenshuriken is so fast speed monsters like the raikage have trouble dodging it so i suggest you revise your downplay of their speed.
Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
ummm actually the only time i have seen young gaara block a explosion was when yashamaru tried to kill him and actually showed the bombs attached to him before he did it so he had enough time to shield himself. otherwise i haven't seen him block a explosion at a young age so i don't know what your saying. It is loggic that naruto speed is increased dramtically as one tail naruto ***** slapped oro in the blink of an eye and oro was fast so logically six tailed naruto is extremely fast. Rasenshuriken is so fast speed monsters like the raikage have trouble dodging it so i suggest you revise your downplay of their speed.
Gaara was shell shocked. It was clearly the bombs were unconsciously blocked by the sand, which reacts to danger the instant it happens. And he also happened to block Deidara's explosions when they fought.
Naruto was actually very obviously much slower in 4 tails if you remember. Orochimaru similarly struck him in the face later on in the fight. And again, so what? Is Orochimaru as fast as Bankai Ichigo? Probably not.
And no. Raikage didn't have trouble dodging Rasenshuriken until Naruto used it in conjunction with his own speed, which is above the Raikage's. The Rasenshuriken has no showings but characters clearly have no trouble keeping up with it, like how Temari and Dodai watched the Raikage dodge it.
I'm not downplaying anything by the way. Not my fault that a Rasenshuriken and explosive tag are slower than your average beyblade.
And fyi, Nagato didn't fully escape the attack. Which was why his legs were crippled.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Gaara was shell shocked. It was clearly the bombs were unconsciously blocked by the sand, which reacts to danger the instant it happens. And he also happened to block Deidara's explosions when they fought.Naruto was actually very obviously much slower in 4 tails if you remember. Orochimaru similarly struck him in the face later on in the fight. And again, so what? Is Orochimaru as fast as Bankai Ichigo? Probably not.
And no. Raikage didn't have trouble dodging Rasenshuriken until Naruto used it in conjunction with his own speed, which is above the Raikage's. The Rasenshuriken has no showings but characters clearly have no trouble keeping up with it, like how Temari and Dodai watched the Raikage dodge it.
I'm not downplaying anything by the way. Not my fault that a Rasenshuriken and explosive tag are slower than your average beyblade.
And fyi, Nagato didn't fully escape the attack. Which was why his legs were crippled.
here is the thing deidara explosions were not near instant traps they were fully seeable and flying towards him and we were also talking about young gaara so i dont know why you brought that up. Yet version 2 jinchuuriki's all get a massive speed increase it is illogical to think that naruto in six tails doesnt. Just because i can see something like a motorcycle doesnt mean i can dodge it if it came straight at me. Second it crossed the konoha crater in seconds at that is fast.
also the burns didnt cripple him it was the rods that were stabbed into him when he activated gedo mazo.
Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
here is the thing deidara explosions were not near instant traps they were fully seeable and flying towards him and we were also talking about young gaara so i dont know why you brought that up. Yet version 2 jinchuuriki's all get a massive speed increase it is illogical to think that naruto in six tails doesnt. Just because i can see something like a motorcycle doesnt mean i can dodge it if it came straight at me. Second it crossed the konoha crater in seconds at that is fast.
also the burns didnt cripple him it was the rods that were stabbed into him when he activated gedo mazo.
Because it's another showing that reacting to explosions is no big deal. And you could fully see the explosive tags when they were on Nagato so...Nevermind the fact that he got hit by them anyway.
When they start to get the bones sure. But they aren't impossible to see. Nagato and Kisame have both reacted to them. They aren't moving at Bleach levels. And it never crossed the crater in a second and even if it did, whoop dee doo. A Bleach character in their sleep could do it faster.
And you can prove the RS is as fast as a motorcycle? You're trying to argue the RS is fast when no one has ever had trouble dodging it or reacting to it. Pain dodged it with the same ease as when he dodged normal kunai.
Well let's see: When he was revived by the Edo Tensei he couldn't move much, if any, and he still had burns on his legs, lacking in rods through the spine. So no, he was crippled by the explosions. Not that it matters because he was hit by the explosion, invalidating any argument that he is fast for doing do so.
This happens, only with more Starrk cutting Nagato's head off
Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
im talking about uninjured nagato and we have a hint of his seed as he dodged all of hanzo exploding tags which were enar instantaneous and when channeling his power through deva path it was able to out run six tailed naruto and a rasenshuriken.
Starrk in base mode >>>>>>> Six-tailed Naruto > Rasenshuriken.
Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
so you think a summon which can steal souls is not haxx as well as ones that make him invisible and one that doesnt die really?
No.
Gedo Mazo's really the only summon Nagato has that comes close to hax, because of its overpowered attacks and soul-sucking move that can still be dodged. Everything else ranges from good to generic.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Starrk is probably the fastest Espada, despite Zommari's assertions, being far faster than both Kenpachi and even Bankai Ichigo.
See it as a pseudo-teleportation technique against overall superior speed. It's not even that because his technique specifically creates illusory clones.
Frankly I don't think that Nagato can keep up. Coyote proved to be extremely quick and agile.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Only Starrk used Sonido to elude Kenpachi and Ichigo at the same time, casually.