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mirthrandir63
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Why does the One have super powers?
Whay makes Neo so special besides the fact that he is meant to reset the matrix? Why should he be given super powers? I mean sure, he rebels can all bend the laws of physics to some extent, but why should Neo be any more powerful than them?
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Jun 10th, 2003 06:27 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Because he is the representation of the collective will of the people to be free. This is the source of his power.
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Jun 10th, 2003 06:37 PM |
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mirthrandir63
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The collective will of the people of Zion (don't see how it could be the will of every human since most don't even know about the matrix)? That seems to delve into real strange stuff with no possible scientific explanation. Then again neither does Neo's coming back to life in M1 make any scientific sense.
But supposing Neo draws his powers from the will of the people of Zio to be free, wouldn't that mean that Neo would get weaker anytime somebody from Zion dies? That would mean that an all out war against Zion would probably leave Neo very weak indeed.
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Jun 10th, 2003 07:05 PM |
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hatemachine
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Afraid Not. The only reason he can do all the stuff that he can is because he KNOWS that the "rules" of the Matrix world don't apply to him. There has never been any mention of the collective will of all the enslaved folks..... sorry you are wrong.
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Jun 10th, 2003 09:27 PM |
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mirthrandir63
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Ok that makes a bit more sense. But then couldn't anybody who believed hard enough do what Neo does or would they need to be the One?
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Jun 10th, 2003 09:29 PM |
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hatemachine
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yes. that is why morpheus and trinity can jump across buildings and walk on walls.... the only thing they cant get past, is that there are NO limits.... and Neo can.
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Jun 10th, 2003 09:33 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Of COURSE it is the collective will. Not of the people of Zion, of the people of the MATRIX who reject their surroundnings- subconsciously. They don't have to know it.
The One is the sum of the anomaly caused by that rejection, as the Architect describes. That is where his power comes from, that is why he can do what he does.
His powers are WAY beyond what any mere hacker can do.
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Jun 10th, 2003 09:34 PM |
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hatemachine
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I think that you misunderstood the Architect......
The anomaly was not caused by the rejection of the matrix by the people within the matrix. The anomaly was caused by the introduction of "freewill" into the Matrix. The coding that was implemented caused an error of sorts that enabled a person in the matrix to conciously reject it, and also to bend the rules of the matrix. After time the "error" would snowball to point of making it possible for the One to exist.
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Jun 10th, 2003 09:47 PM |
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turin
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I always thought that his powers come from himself not the will of others. like hatemachine said, Neo has reached a higher level of understanding of the matrix. he understands there is no limits. a person with that understanding only pops up every once and awhile. but then again like Ush said the architect does corilate the one to the building up of the subconcious resistence to the matrix, hence the need to reload. very good question, I never really thought of why he has the powers beyond the assumption that he is just damn good.
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Jun 10th, 2003 09:49 PM |
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Ushgarak
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To quote, hate:
"99% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice...even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself."
The obvious flaw being it has there is still a 1% rejection. This subconscious will creates the anomaly.
"Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. you are the eventuallity of an anomaly which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision"
And this anomaly makes Neo what he is. It is not a bug in the free will concept, it is an inevitable result of free will's introduction.
Hence his powers derive from the subconscious desire of the people. As far as I can see your answer compliments mine.
To simplify:
Free choice creates the anomaly
The One is the final product of that anomaly
Therefore the One's powers are created by the free choice of the people-but not consciously.
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Jun 10th, 2003 09:53 PM |
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hatemachine
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But, the anomaly is created by mathimatical equations. Which also created the 1% that subconsciously reject the matrix. The abilities Neo has and the fact that 1% of the people in the matrix reject it are caused by the same mathimatical equation. Not by the fact that people reject it.
He has powers because he is the One, he is not the One because he has powers.
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Jun 10th, 2003 10:00 PM |
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Ushgarak
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No, the 1% rejection CREATES the anomaly. The anomaly eventually ends up as the One.
He is the One simply because he IS the One, and the One has powers.
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Jun 10th, 2003 10:01 PM |
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hatemachine
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To simplify:
The Mathimatical Equation created Free Choice
The same equation created the anomoly
Therefore freechoice and the anomoly were created at the same time.
Hence the anomoly could not have been created by the will of those still inside the matrix.
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Jun 10th, 2003 10:04 PM |
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Ushgarak
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No I do not agree, they introduce free will and that free will creates the anomaly. That is how I interpret it. The anomaly is not independant of the free will, it stems directly from it.
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Jun 10th, 2003 10:13 PM |
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hatemachine
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Everybody is entitled to their own opinion
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Jun 10th, 2003 10:15 PM |
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hatemachine
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even if it is wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong
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Jun 10th, 2003 10:15 PM |
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hatemachine
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at least in my opinion
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Jun 10th, 2003 10:16 PM |
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Ushgarak
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"Ergo those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked would constitute an escalating probablility of disaster."
If the anomaly was independant of the free will these people would not matter, the damage would already be done. They DO matter, therefore clearly the anomaly springs from them
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Jun 10th, 2003 10:22 PM |
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Darth Vicious
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I agree with HateMachine in my opinion the only reason Neo has powers its because he understands all the rules not because he draws the power from the people i think that as a programmer Neo understands whats going on and how he can change and do all the stuff he does and someone might say if they havent already that Trinity and Morpheous among others are hackers, while they are i dont think they have the programing aspect of hacking like Neo does to me all he does is ben the matrix to his will
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Jun 10th, 2003 11:10 PM |
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Ushgarak
Paladin
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Location: Chelmsford, Essex, UK Co-Admin |
Well I think the Architect's words are clear in describing Neo's powers coming from the anomaly created by the people, as Turin says.
Neo is not simply better than everyone else. He is fudamentally different.
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