Typically and on the whole, Supes has the advantage here. Still, there are some weaker Superman portrayals that overlap with some stronger Wonder Woman portrayals, and this would give WW the win at those times.
And that's why Diana really shouldn't stand much of a chance. A certain writer's having Batman cite "Bruce Lee vs Usain Bolt" notwithstanding, it would be a more accurate analogy if Bolt could move in any direction as fast as he could sprint, and shoot lasers out of his eyes.
Doesn't matter how skilled you are, if you can never catch the other guy, and he can tag you at will.
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Speed is a Pandora's box that no writer knows what to do with. It's never used remotely realistically. So I don't think any speed edge would really be decisive here.
Supes typically loses to WW when he's either holding back too much or under a writer who doesn't credit Superman with especially dynamic power.
And you still have to get it past the editors! I had e-mail conversations with Greg Rucka about WW vs. Superman. He said he felt Superman was more powerful and formidable on the whole, but in a 1v1 combat between humanoids, Diana's skill and gear were enough to get the win. He admitted that his opinion was definitely in the minority among writers. With all that said, when it came time to pen the fight, it was ironic that Rucka couldn't give Diana a 100% clean win. I'm not sure if editors got involved or not, but I found it interesting. It's possible Greg thought he was giving Diana a clean win.
In hand to hand? Certainly not. Even Greg Rucka, the biggest Wonder Woman proponent, showed her as overwhelmingly inferior in a physical fight. He broke her wrist by squeezing and KOd her across the solar system - then just hovered above her, until she got up. In any other circumstance, the fight would have been over right there as he would have continue to attack but, luckily for her, he was hallucinating. Or he would have punched her inside the sun, and not towards the Earth. The fight even ended with her removing his mind-control and slashing his neck with a magical item, which he quickly regenerated.
And then, we look at For Tomorrow [in his right mind]. He seemed at least one tier above her, and she was armed to the teeth.
And then, we look at a League of One [in his right mind]. She directly says she cannot win, as he casually overpowers her.
And then we look at Wonder Woman 175 [or thereabout]. Even the 2nd biggest Wonder Woman fanboy [or maybe even first], Phil Jimenez, had her so outclassed physically, that she said she was about to die and he was about to break her bracelets in a few blows. Again, she snaps him out of his mind control [this time with the lasso].
And we can go on with the examples.
We can also notice a pattern - every time Superman is not mind-controlled/etc. - and has full control of his abilities, he dominates to a ridiculously casual level
And we haven't even gotten to relative portrayals, such as against Doomsday, who broke her hands and Superman ripped him in half. etc.
I don't think there's a single writer who'd show her even having a chance hand to hand [a.k.a. this thread]. I think some of them would keep her competitive with weapons but, in the end, he'd win under almost all of them.
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Konvict, too. After getting his measure, Superman appeared to be winning, while Wonder Woman was struggling to hold him at bay.
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I'm agreeing (as did Rucka) that the majority opinion among writers and editors is likely that Superman wins here. It's likely a significant majority.
I'm not sure I agree with your characterization of WW's fight with Superman under Rucka. I'd been talking with him before he got the WW book, so that fight was probably his first chance to put his ideas into practice. I didn't really follow any of his other, later work that might have been relevant. Perhaps he changed his opinion.
Injustice was an interesting WW vs Superman fight. Also, there were times at the beginning of of the New 52 Superman and Wonder Woman book where it seemed like Superman was being shown as so unskilled that Diana, especially unleashed (which was a thing then), might have the edge. It certainly seemed in doubt.
At any rate, I'm in broad agreement as to Superman being solidly favored, on the whole. I find it more interesting to try to find and discuss the few occasions where Diana might have been favored, or where it was too close to call.
Lor Zod (Zod junior) koed him and some say it was a surprise attack. Let's assume it was, Disna was recently hit by a surprise attack from an amped Supergirl and brushed that sh** off and proceeded at punching her face in. Superman can only dream about diana highs after the rebirth.
Didn't Wonder Woman disagree on Superman being faster than her? Anyway, I'd never give her the win over him up until this point. However, I am interested in what others have to say on the matter.
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