This is actually an interesting question where DC is concerned, because the God Sphere (where the NGs live) is outside the influence of the speed force- the SF just wraps around the 3rd dimension multiverse.
So while Flash could probably affect NGs that have boom tubed into the 3rd dimension multiverse, I don't know if he could affect them if they were both in the God Sphere, because that realm is beyond the SF.
Why don't you think it'll work on Darkseid, trans tiers etc
arguably it is, But we've seen that Flash has already collectively Speed Stolen for multitudes of people, including Superman, Wonder Woman, the JLA, the JSA, the Flash Family, everyone on Earthz and several billion beings from another planet, with no issue.
Jay once had an issue stealing Supes's speed too, something about taking that much energy at once possibly damaging the planet or something else weird like that. I know that Wally exceeds Jay in both power and skill so there's no direct parallel there, but it at the very least indicates that there's a lot going on when speed stealing is involved so it's probably not a good thing to assume it's without it's share of limits.
Right, we don't know if Wally has limits. It's not that it's been specifically established as an unlimited move, we just haven't actually seen the limit except for the time that abhi's talking about(which I freely acknowledge sounds like a low showing of the highest order) and the fact that he can't steal Zoom's speed. But honestly the Zoom thing alone throws shade on Wally's ability to steal speed from people/beings that have a weird relation with time which would include virtually all cosmic being types IMO.
Yeah... but that's still not something that specifically indicates such a thing is totally without limit. I'm not saying this to try to lowball the feat at all because the amount of energy he'd have to steal to accomplish that feat is absolutely staggering no matter what, but it's not like he was draining everyone at max effort or anything. If Supes hadn't been moving so fast, there wouldn't have been any issues from Jay stealing his speed. By the same token, if all the beings had been maxed out when Wally attempted the feat it's theoretically possible he could have failed.
Assuming anything in comics is totally without limits is always a mistake. Even the Presence and TOAA have been shown to have limits. Hell, Hulk's potential for strength increase HAS been specifically addressed as being without limits but we'd still scoff at the notion of him ever getting physically strong enough to beat up high end cosmic beings.
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Wally Speed Stole from Superman, Wonder Woman, the JL, the JSA, the Flash Family, everyone on Earth and several billion beings from another planet, SIMULTANEOUSLY.
Jay only has an issue because he just recently learned the ability. Kay then went on to casually Speed Steal from Black Adam without even touching him.
And the only reason Zoom was immune to Speed Steal is because he can Speed himself up via time hax.
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