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Captain America vs Grant Ward

Physical stats equalized. For the fun of it, let's say Grant becomes as strong as Cap here. No shield, street clothes. They fight in the street.

Who wins in a battle of skill and grit?


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Tricky question. Cap looks better in his fight scenes but that's due to the fact that he's superhuman.

Ward is definitely meaner and crueller, and has just as much experience taking on skilled and even stronger opponents... but then I'm having trouble seeing Cap lose

I think this goes either way.


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Could've just made this Cap vs Hive minus the parasites


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^^^that gives me a thread idea that’ll probably go nowhere!

Aslo, OT: Cap FTW.


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for those giving Cap the win, what makes you think he wins?


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for those giving Cap the win, what makes you think he wins?
You got Grant?


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You got Grant?


I'm unsure. Cap has more heart but Grant is crueller. And though Grant doesn't have as acrobatic moves as Cap, he has dirtier tricks like breaking fingers and eye pokes. A Grant Ward jacked up with SS serum would be a scary guy.


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Cap.


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Wait... Ward from AOS?

Honestly With the same physical stats hed totally destroy Cap. Hes a top tier trained assassin.

Cap is good, but as far as im aware theres nothing spectacular about his combat training. Nor was he trained for a particularly lengthy period.

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Wait... Ward from AOS?

Honestly With the same physical stats hed totally destroy Cap. Hes a top tier trained assassin.

Cap is good, but as far as im aware theres nothing spectacular about his combat training. Nor was he trained for a particularly lengthy period.


Although I agree that the movies haven't emphasize so much on Steve's training, when H2H is concerned Cap comes on top.

This is common knowledge, like Hawkeye's pristine aim.

Ward is an elite killer, and yet Cap manage to stalemate and even defeat the WS who is an even more elite killer.


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Although I agree that the movies haven't emphasize so much on Steve's training, when H2H is concerned Cap comes on top.

This is common knowledge, like Hawkeye's pristine aim.

Ward is an elite killer, and yet Cap manage to stalemate and even defeat the WS who is an even more elite killer.


Prior to the super soldier serrum, Cap was a skinny asthmatic with almost zero combat skills.

In comparison, prior to any super soldier serum, Grant Ward is already one of the deadliest assassins around.

If they're given the same serum to make sure they end up with the same physical stats, that means that Grant Ward now has the advantage of a lot more training and experience in h2h combat.

Actually, now that I think about it, I'm going to go with Ward. Although Cap still puts up a fight.


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Prior to the super soldier serrum, Cap was a skinny asthmatic with almost zero combat skills.

In comparison, prior to any super soldier serum, Grant Ward is already one of the deadliest assassins around.

If they're given the same serum to make sure they end up with the same physical stats, that means that Grant Ward now has the advantage of a lot more training and experience in h2h combat.

Actually, now that I think about it, I'm going to go with Ward. Although Cap still puts up a fight.


And? The SSS doesn't give the user knowledge over H2H.

Cap obviously received training on several martial arts afterwards. We even see him training with a punching bag in Avengers.

Ward is a good assassin, but Bucky is an even better one, sorry.


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And? The SSS doesn't give the user knowledge over H2H.

Cap obviously received training on several martial arts afterwards. We even see him training with a punching bag in Avengers.

Ward is a good assassin, but Bucky is an even better one, sorry.


Exactly. The SSS doesn't give one knowledge in h2h, which meant Steve still needed to train. In which case, Ward just has more training and more experience.

Bucky is a better assassin because he's also enhanced, and as far as I know he was not trained as an assassin prior to being made into the Winter Soldier.

Have you even watched AoS?


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Exactly. The SSS doesn't give one knowledge in h2h, which meant Steve still needed to train. In which case, Ward just has more training and more experience.

Bucky is a better assassin because he's also enhanced, and as far as I know he was not trained as an assassin prior to being made into the Winter Soldier.

Have you even watched AoS?


More training and experience!? Based on what exactly? Sure, Ward has more scenes, yet again he is the character of a series.

Remember, Cap basically made the allies win the war, he fought countless battles.

Don't bring experience into the equation.

P.S: I've watched AoS. Ward was just one more in Hydra's payroll.


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Theres literally nothing to suggest Cap would be a top tier assassin with regular human stats. And even if he would, Ward stomps on several assassins combined.

I take it you havent seen all of AOS Josh.

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I lost interest in AOS sometime during season 2, but even then yeah Ward is better trained than Cap.


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More training and experience!? Based on what exactly? Sure, Ward has more scenes, yet again he is the character of a series.

Remember, Cap basically made the allies win the war, he fought countless battles.

Don't bring experience into the equation.

P.S: I've watched AoS. Ward was just one more in Hydra's payroll.


Yeah... if you really watched AoS you'd know that Ward becomes way more than just a simple Hydra thug.

As for Cap, he's able to do the things he does because of the SSS. If you dropped his physical levels down to a regular human, I don't see him doing what Ward has accomplished.

As for training and experience, yes, Ward does have more. Captain America for the most part fought regular humans who were physically inferior to him. The times he's fought opponents with the same physicality as him he has struggled.

Ward has mowed down numerous trained fighters with similar physical stats as him.


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Theres literally nothing to suggest Cap would be a top tier assassin with regular human stats. And even if he would, Ward stomps on several assassins combined.

I take it you havent seen all of AOS Josh.


Assassin =/= good fighter.

Cap might not be an assassin, but he is the best trained soldier in America, son.

And, Bucky is a FARRR better assassin than the Ward boy

P.S: May is a far better fighter than Ward, and yet she pails in comparisson to Natasha laughing out loud

And arguably, Cap is just as good if not a better fighter than Black Widow


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Yeah... if you really watched AoS you'd know that Ward becomes way more than just a simple Hydra thug.

As for Cap, he's able to do the things he does because of the SSS. If you dropped his physical levels down to a regular human, I don't see him doing what Ward has accomplished.

As for training and experience, yes, Ward does have more. Captain America for the most part fought regular humans who were physically inferior to him. The times he's fought opponents with the same physicality as him he has struggled.

Ward has mowed down numerous trained fighters with similar physical stats as him.


Lol, if you have watched AoS you'd know that the Hive isn't actually Ward, well at least not an alive Ward.

We are not debating the squalid Rogers here. Their stats are equalized.

The day Ward can survive an elevator full of agents, then you might be right.

Bucky is Hydra's best assassin, sorry to inform you.


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