Mirror master does pretty well vs either Barry or Wally both are considerably faster than Jay and can maintain it for longer. I don't think Jay has much of a chance
Flash villains occupy that weird Limbo in KMC, where Flash's defeats at their hands is used as canon and not PIS (in certain people's minds) but it isn't used as a feat for the villains.
Take Grodd, as an example. He regularly beats the snot out of Wally, right? So if the gorilla can outspeed the Fastest Man Alive, AND is a telepath to boot, and it's canon/not PIS, then he should be pretty much able to solo Marvel Earth.
Still of they can beat the best DC speedsters that has to translate well vs one on a lower tier.
Jay has limitations that Barry and Wally don't duento age (like potential heart attack if his pulse gets over a certain level so he can't go light speed for fear of dying. I mean when he went to steal BAs speed to time travel he first went to say goodbye to his wife because he didntnexpect to survive - pretty big limitation)
Self imposed limitations? I mean, perhaps the fastest of DC speedsters hold back due to ego. Perhaps they feel as if they shouldn’t go all out. That is what you call PIS. Mainly because Wally for example could defeat Grodd before he even knew that he was defeated. Fro the. Record, Grodd would not run all over Marvel earth. He’d be lucky to beat Ironman. What we have going on in the Flash comics is plot, because who in their right mind would buy a comic that only contain one page?
Because you're now arguing this:
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Is Wally imposing limitations on himself to not go all out, and thus, get eaten alive. That's....that's beyond CIS, even Rhino wouldn't allow that.
It’s sort of a little of both. The character as we know will always, or nearly always fight in their own unique typical way, but behind them lies the plot. It’s kind of like Superman struggling with Mongul, but then beating Imperiex. If he went in as focused as he was with Imperiex against Mongul, Doomsday, Zoe, etc, the fights wouldn’t be as dramatic.
When you have a character capable of being so fast that they can race to Mars and back before you finish brushing your teeth, characters as fast as Grodd should be beaten in less than a second, and sitting in a cell. Plot is the mightiest thing in comics.
A decent writer could just as easily put it that Grodd with his powerful TP and Mind Control maintains an area around him that a speedster isn't operating at their best.
When you look at specific enemies of Flash like Capt Cold, Mirror master they have a specific powers geared to male them more effective against speedsters than others. In Cold's case it's the Cold field that negates speed. In MM'S case he can be in the mirror dimension where essentially he's inside a reflection and therefore light. He can specifically fight vs someone in the physical realm whilst not being anywhere they can reach /get at him. He can have thousands of mirror duplicates occupying Flash's attention.
But in a forum match where they fight without plot, the Flash at max capacity would beat Grodd and the rest of his rogue gallery before they could blink. I mean they wouldn’t even be able to see what beat them. And that is even while he was fighting in character.
So one sided fight where only Flash is operating at his best and not Grodd. If they made it that way (which is what I would do if I were writing Grodd as an adversary to make it more interesting) then as soon as Flash enters the range of Grodd's diminished intensity field he wouldn't be able to operate at his best without intense focus. In the same way Capt Cold maintains a cold field that slows Flash down when he gets close.
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