What do you'll view as the greatest symbol of freedom?
Is it a symbol such as the World Trade centre, is is more artistic such as the Statue of liberty, is it spirtual like the Buddha, is it the voting booth? A person, the face of MLK? Relgious tolerance? Sexual freedom? I appreciate some of these are harder to symbolise
Or is it something which symbolises a variety of freedoms such as the Amercian Flag, or maybe the British
I have been thinking about this for a couple of hours and am genuinly stuck??
It is really a touch question to ask, but I would love to hear your opinions, i think it could be quite interesting.
__________________ With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.These words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie -- as awisdom, and warning. The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged.
"One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half.-----Sir Winston Churchill
__________________ With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.These words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie -- as awisdom, and warning. The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged.
"One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half.-----Sir Winston Churchill
nature gave us the elements...and most are all on sale...for example...water...i think water should be free its nature given. and i dont believe in money...we should go back to the barter system...trading things..
actually i dunnno what im saying im a bit tired at this moment
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... in my opinion, that represents rather the contrary of freedom flags mean being bound, to opinions, customs, laws, regions, political ideas, whatever; and especially national flags kinda hurt the greatest freedoms, like individuality, choice and independance
The typical symbol for freedom is imo a bird... not an eagle or some other proud and as symbols selfoverestimating bird, but just a normal, free bird, being able to fly away, take off and leave... or wings in general, they represent everything that is for me connected to freedom.
once again, in my opinion nothing is free...not even a bird. it has enemies...it has predators...it gets eaten...it loses the freedom of not getting eaten
ok im too tired..i hope that made sense
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Life is short and the art long, the occasion instant, experiment perilous, decision difficult.
It does make sense, and I also agree with that; I don't believe in real freedom, it just - can't work.
That's why I was not saying that birds are free, but just that wings are symbols of freedom, which imo they are, regardless of the fact that for their owners they don't really mean freedom but just a lot more possibilites to be eaten...
indeed mmm exabyte you are right the greatest symbol of freedom is not a flag, nor anything bearing one.
That is all I can tell you because there is nothing truely free. All things are in danger or constrained.
Speaking personally, sleep is the most liberationg ting in the world, though it does have to end
__________________ With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.These words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie -- as awisdom, and warning. The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged.
"One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half.-----Sir Winston Churchill
In any sort of society, utopian or not, there have to be rules. In fact, you'd probably be less free in a utopea than in other places, since a perfect society couldn't spring up without strict regulation.
Freedom, the way people seem to be defining it here, would be nothing less than anarky. God save us from such freedom.
__________________ "Men curse the Communist Party, but eventually it may release them. If hell were endless, then God would be worse than our Secret Police."--Pastor Valentin
That is conceptually stretching 'freedom' into a reductio ad absurdum. By implication, by being 'free', then, it would lose the freedom to be hunted, and eaten.
to use symols as an interpretation of freedom is absolutely ludicrous and in some sense beyond comprehension...if one must use such an artifice to symbolize and abstract invention is deluding themselves...
freedom is not about choice or lack thereof, nor is it about one's rights or moral standing...freedom like hope is anathema to each and every individual...realistically, the two can be somewhat be liken to sand grasped in ones hands, yet eventually it will inevitably slip between our fingers...
the greatest symbol if one must need one to represent freedom is: denial...
I wish I could give credit where it is due, however the speaker escapes me.
"You are free to do whatever they let you do."
There is no such thing as freedom. Should true freedom exist, we would have anarchy. And we all know that anarchy cannot thrive as a form of general form of existance... look at the "Do What You Feel Like" Episode of the Simpsons.
Anarchy is a good idea, but there are too many bad intentions in the human mind to allow nothing to go unpunished. And freedom can not exist unless everything is permitted. A vicious cycle, if you will.
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What is the greatest symbol of freedom on Earth?
Aug 5th, 2004 05:00 PM
its nature given. and i dont believe in money...we should go back to the barter system...trading things.. 
im a bit tired at this moment
flags mean being bound, to opinions, customs, laws, regions, political ideas, whatever; and especially national flags kinda hurt the greatest freedoms, like individuality, choice and independance 
Wished I lived in one 
