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CAN Luke be stronger than Vader? Yes, though only because of the injuries.
WAS he in ROTJ? Disputed call. he's still a Padawan. I think he simply scored a hero's victory. Good guys do that in films. And being physically fitter helped of course.
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I agree with Ush. Yoda says it quite clearly: one thing remains! He must face Vader, I guess Yoda used that confrontational battle as a replacement for the old trials.
Registered: Sep 2006
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if Luke was refered to as a Padawan by Yoda or Ben in the OT...fine
but he wasnt
give it a couple of years and im sure Frank Oz will spend 5 mins in a recording studio so Yoda can refer to Luke as "my young Padawan"
im sure Luke will be sporting a CGI Padawan braid by then too
Registered: Sep 2006
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If Luke was determined to become a Jedi he should have been in training with Yoda instead of rescuing Han
im sure they could have knocked up a bunch of rebels to take out Jabbas palace
no trials
Vader and Palps had to be taken out
If Luke had the strength to do that hes obv a Jedi
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sorry my mistake about Luke taking out Palps dunno how i slipped up there
so what would the point be of sending Luke off to take out Vader if he was most likely going to wacked by the Emperor shortly afterwards?
theres no mention of taking out Palps to become a Jedi
its all about Vader
did Yoda assume that if Luke took out Vader hed have the strength to take out Palpatine as well?
didnt he think thatd be too much for a "padawan"
how did Yoda know that Luke wasnt going to be put in a cell till he broke and be dispatched if he didnt turn
how did he know that Vader and Palps were not going to take on Luke at the same time
we could be here all day
good old Yoda and Ben
good youve taken out Vader...your a Jedi
now the options are
a) Join Palps and take Vaders place
b) die
Originally of course, Luke would only fight and feat Vader. The decisive battle between Luke and Palpy would have been in Ep9 or Ep12. GL decided to rush things.
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Obi-Wan and Yoda simply had no other option. There wasn't anyone else. But they also knew they were doing the right thing- that's the Force for you.
Yoda was simply making the situation to Luke plain- he wouldn't have the right to call himself a Jedi until he had returned to face Vader. The training in ESB showed the Vader issue was Luke's main emotional stumbling block anyway.
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Registered: Sep 2006
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im getting into the territory im not keen on but wasnt Leia option number 2??
couldnt they have trained her as force spirits if Luke HAD copped it after saying no to Palps?
seeing as Luke WAS a Jedi after he defeated Vader if he had died would he have become a force spirit too alongside Obi,Yoda and now thanks to the PT Qui Gon.
couldnt they all have trained Leia into a sh*t hot Jedi to finish off Palps once and for all??
That'd had been the second option, yes. But if Luke had joined Palpy, the same if not bigger problem was there. If Luke had died, then Leia could be that hot Jedi.... They had some options...
I can't recall Yoda or Obi-Wan ever mentioning that Luke had to deal with Vader while Palpatine was present. They didn't say, "Get 'em both at once Luke."
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Registered: Sep 2006
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"do not underestimate the powers of the Emperor or suffer your father's fate you will"
i guess he thought Palps would be around somewhere
Luke was a bit of a dick
its all good and honourable chucking your lightsabre and saying "you have failed your highness"
what did he think the consequences would be
did he think he was sacrficing himself...biding time till the rebels struck??
what did he think Palps would do
hang around for the death star to blow??
let Luke go??
persuade him to turn with small talk??
Palpatine :"You will not turn???... ok fair enough but let me help you find that lightsabre first.................................found it!!!!!.......................ok good bye young Skywalker
sorry i couldnt persuade you to join the dark side..its so HARD finding an apprentice....you wouldnt BELIEVE the trouble ive gone through with apprentices ..cut in two,decapitated...this one here i even created through the force(wink) and look what good that did me....one arm,no legs and a chest infection!!! god its such a pain!!!!
you got a ride???...no??.. here take my shuttle.......you wont change your mind about turning??....heres my number if you do...say hello to your sister for me....ok BYE!!!!"
Jan 12th, 2007 07:05 AM
