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Savage Opress vs Count Dooku(Canon)

Winner gets to be apprentice to Darth Sidious.

To the death, no messing around.

Canon feats only.


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Dooku unless Savage is blood-lusted hard-core


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Seems like a thread with a decisive winner in my eyes.

Did someone hack Carth's account?


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Savage got dis


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^ How?

IMO Dooku stomps. Not sure how Savage could win.


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Nah Dooku is outmatched.


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Dooku SLAUGHTERHOUSE's?

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Dooku wins, lol.

The only way in which Savage could have a chance is if he's bloodlusted as ****. If he's not, he's going down hard.


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Dooku.


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We've never really seen a pissed off Dooku have we?

He always seems to be messing with his foes.


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Tyranus, definitely.


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^ How?

IMO Dooku stomps. Not sure how Savage could win.
I think it's pretty likely that Savage can block lightning and we see what happens when he lands a good hit. Doesn't hurt that since their fight Savage's power is growing by the day, as sensed by Dooku himself across the galaxy.

I mean realistically Savage would never beat Dooku but I like making the case.


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In a 1v1, Dooku with me every time, even if Savage gets blood lusted.

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I think it's pretty likely that Savage can block lightning and we see what happens when he lands a good hit. Doesn't hurt that since their fight Savage's power is growing by the day, as sensed by Dooku himself across the galaxy.

I mean realistically Savage would never beat Dooku but I like making the case.


How can Savage block lightning, when even Maul can't? smile


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oppress force blasted kenobi+anakin. Kenobi become a forc eghost like yoda so he =yoda. Sidious said anakin will becomemore powerful than yoda +sidious so anakin>yoda+sidious. Therefore oppress > two yoda's and a sidious. Oppress stomps

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How can Savage block lightning, when even Maul can't? smile
deleted scene pls


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Tyranus, obviously. That disarming blow in Witches of the Mist is obviously a one-off and not something that happens every time they clash blades. Especially since Canon only has Dooku sizing up to Anakin and Yoda's strength just fine.

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Nova, you've literally given me cancer with these arguments over the years. "One off" =/= can't ever happen again, especially given Savage's growth since the fight. Anakin isn't as strong as Savage, which is just obvious. Yoda isn't as strength-based a fighter as Opress, lacks his physical mass, or for whatever contrived reason you want to hunt down, isn't capable of batting Dooku away like a fly - unless he was holding back in AotC, which alongside his non-strength based style seems to make the most logical sense for why he didn't. Yoda is obviously stronger than Opress via his parity with Sidious, but it's about how they apply their strength.

Also, let's talk about the fact Savage frigging did it in the first place. Not Anakin, not Grievous, not Yoda - Savage did it. I'm pretty sure the way it works is that if there's visual proof of someone doing something, there's an extremely massive possibility that they can do that thing.

You can jump through as many mental loops as you like, but Dooku being able to meet Savage's full strength in a duel is just unrealistic. And I don't even know why it's such a hard pill to swallow. It's possibly the shittest hand Dooku could ever be dealt style-wise. Savage is a Force monster who is retardedly big and strong and bases his entire fighting style around using that strength. Dooku is 80, and while impressive for his age, is relatively frail in this situation. Hence why his style revolves around not meeting someone like Savage's strength head-on. He turned his weakness into his greatest asset, indicating intelligence which you don't seem inclined to honour, despite being such a devout supporter of his.

In my opinion, you're pissing on Dooku's shoes by ascribing abilities to him that are fictional. Every character has strengths and weaknesses, and sometimes styles make for lopsided fights.

If you can't accept what is possibly Dooku's only frigging weakness:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1DcD8e55YY


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Nova, you've literally given me cancer with these arguments over the years. "One off" =/= can't ever happen again, especially given Savage's growth since the fight. Anakin isn't as strong as Savage, which is just obvious. Yoda isn't as strength-based a fighter as Opress, lacks his physical mass, or for whatever contrived reason you want to hunt down, isn't capable of batting Dooku away like a fly - unless he was holding back in AotC, which alongside his non-strength based style seems to make the most logical sense for why he didn't. Yoda is obviously stronger than Opress via his parity with Sidious, but it's about how they apply their strength.

Also, let's talk about the fact Savage frigging did it in the first place. Not Anakin, not Grievous, not Yoda - Savage did it. I'm pretty sure the way it works is that if there's visual proof of someone doing something, there's an extremely massive possibility that they can do that thing.

You can jump through as many mental loops as you like, but Dooku being able to meet Savage's full strength in a duel is just unrealistic. And I don't even know why it's such a hard pill to swallow. It's possibly the shittest hand Dooku could ever be dealt style-wise. Savage is a Force monster who is retardedly big and strong and bases his entire fighting style around using that strength. Dooku is 80, and while impressive for his age, is relatively frail in this situation. Hence why his style revolves around not meeting someone like Savage's strength head-on. He turned his weakness into his greatest asset, indicating intelligence which you don't seem inclined to honour, despite being such a devout supporter of his.

In my opinion, you're pissing on Dooku's shoes by ascribing abilities to him that are fictional. Every character has strengths and weaknesses, and sometimes styles make for lopsided fights.

If you can't accept what is possibly Dooku's only frigging weakness:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1DcD8e55YY


Okay, if you get cancer, all the better. You're not even interpreting my argument correctly. **** off. **** right off. smile

Firstly, I didn't say it can't ever happen again. I said it won't happen every single time they ****ing clash blades, because that's ridiculous. I mean, honestly, do you actually think that every single time they clash blades Dooku is going to flying again?

Consider Savage with his "growth after the fight". Turtle Tanker fight with Ventress, the Adi Gallia fight, etc. - where on ****ing Earth does Savage send them flying or disarm them in one blow? Never. Want a good reason for that? Because he isn't strong enough to send people of any respectable caliber flying with one strike. There's circumstances to his feat with Dooku.

The fact that Dooku suddenly went from dodging blow after blow from Savage (and easily, at that) to actually trying to block the strikes should tell you something. Clearly, he positioned himself poorly, which necessitated that he actually engage Savage's blade instead of dodging again. On top of that, Savage would've been building up momentum with all of his strikes that he missed. So a combination of momentum on Savage's part and poor positioning on Dooku's part is why Savage managed that one shot.

Obviously, Dooku would be an utter ****pot to meet Savage's blows head-on. He'll tire himself quickly and unnecessarily. But seeing as Savage has improved since WotM, it's only natural that their blades will connect at some point or other. And when that happens, despite the toll it'll take on Dooku's reserves, it won't be sending him flying once again. Dooku can ****ing engage Yoda in a saberlock for extended periods of time. Yes, it'll be tiring, but he's met greater strength before and he can do it again. Savage is not sending Dooku flying on first contact with a blade. And yes, if the circumstances match the ones in WotM, then Savage will be doing it again. In fact, he won't even need much momentum, since, as you said, he's gotten stronger. I doubt that'll happen - by choice, at least, because Dooku's learned his lesson. If you want to argue that Savage can contend with Dooku blade-wise long enough to tire him out, then that's fine. But don't ****ing argue - or even imply - that every blade clash will result in Dooku flying.

And that's all I was contesting - that Dooku isn't going to go flying every time their blades meet. Nowhere did I insinuate that Dooku can meet Savage's strength head-on without consequence, or that power blows don't constitute a problem to him. Seriously, just ****ing read, pommy *****. smile

So https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9KVIfpNG4w.

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