But we can see from JL and Flash that Kryptonians are far faster than Viltrumites in a fight. Omni-Man vs Red Rush is nothing compared to Clark chasing down Barry and Zod beating Flash Dos.
Dang, I don't remember the Red Rush fight. Will need to go back and watch again. I thought the speed between the Viltrumites and Kryptonians was comparable but I guess i'm wrong.
I still don't know. Just watched it and Red Rush was drawing blood after who knows how many hits when Omni-Man grabbed his head and after Omni-Man casually grabbed his fist when a punch was thrown.
I mean.... ignoring the 'oh, maybe it was this, or that's, we still have two admissions from that video:
1. Red Rush shredding the 'indestructible' suit (which is paradoxical, but the YouTube creator admits we haven't seen many things do that); and
2. Red Rush bruising OmniMan (which, if we allow that, is still weird that people don't allow that he's drawing blood).
So we still have a 'normal' human (unless Red Rush had other strength feats) strong enough to cause bruising on OmniMan, and Red Rush punching fast enough to shred the suit.
Superman is still much faster than Rush, and way stronger/durable than Rush.
I obviously have Conquest roughly comparable to OmniMan.
I'd say Nolan would be similar to what Injustice Superman is, in that neither hold back from killing opponents. Injustice supes does still restrain himself to prevent damaging the planet, as did Nolan, because we see what happens when he doesn't, he blows up planetary surfaces through speed. But we also know from the comics, that Clark has done shit even crazier than that...
Yeah i'm not arguing or denying anything here, just posted a short that falls in line more to my thinking. It's still evident that Red Rush shredded the costume and bruised him badly if nothing else.
I suppose you and others are right about the speed (and most assuredly strength too) for Supes, but I just get confused about comparing things in different universes (intentions). Again, I can't disagree as the feats line up.
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When it's animated vs live action, the cartoon usually has the advantages. But Viltrumites do not seem stronger or more durable than DCU Kryptonians. Definitely not faster.
It also seems that Viltrumites' durability is disproportionately lower than their strength. I can see the strongest Viltrumites being at least slightly stronger than DCU Superman, but I could be wrong. However, their durability, speed, and versatility (heat vision, freeze breath, etc.) often fall short in comparison to Clark's.
Nolan vs. Clark
• Strength: Nolan (but not by much)
• Speed: Clark
• Fighting Ability: Nolan
• Versatility: Clark
• Durability: Clark
If Conquest is about equal to Nolan, I'd side with Superman. I still need to watch the new episodes and catch up.
The main problem is that every Kryptonian that isn't Faora just straight up don't know how to fight. I think Clark gets the shit beat out of him even if he does outstat conquest in speed. Mark and Conquests damage output is far above anything the Kryptonians showed
HV will only work once, it's pretty obvious when it's about to be used.
Going by the flash movie, Mark and Conquest would have dominated that Kryptonian invasion. Nothing any Kryptonian has shown says they can handle a fight like that for long. The shockwave from Mark and Conquests was hundreds of times bigger than Zod and Superman's.
Conquest nearly sanked a city after bomb rushing Invincible. He's 100% stronger. Also, he's probably faster as well. Nolan flew Galaxies away in a week in the show. Heck, he left earth and the solar system in some seconds. How strong is Red Rush?
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