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Darth Pants
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I don't think she'll be murdered, otherwise whoever did it would know of Leia's existence. Vader treated her as though she was just rebel scum in ANH, not as the mysterious child of his late wife. Or is it possible that the mother Leia spoke of was a foster mother, and not Padme at all?
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May 5th, 2001 09:06 PM |
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Ushgarak
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I still say broken heart.
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May 5th, 2001 09:08 PM |
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Darth Pants
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I'd say the same. Although the fact that she raises Leia with Bail Organa (who she is rumoured to have a thing for) would suggest that she found new love. I'd go with your idea that the rest of her tragically short life is lived in sadness. So much dark stuff will have to happen to explain the origins in ANH, I don't know why everyone thinks that Ep2 will be the dark episode, it can't end on as much of a downer as Ep3.
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May 5th, 2001 09:13 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Yes, fair point. I wonder how nasty he can make III and still keep it Star Wars...
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May 5th, 2001 09:57 PM |
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JediOasis
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I think that Palpatine will have Padme killed, as she could one day turn Anakin back to the good side. I could be wrong but didn't Lucas say EP III would be the darkest cause everyone dies? Well, the Jedi are killed, but who else of importance? Anakin, Obi-Wan, Yoda, Bail Organa, the kids all make it to the OT. So that would leave Padme, as much as it sucks, she has to die.
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May 6th, 2001 07:45 AM |
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Ushgarak
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There's a good possibility we don't see the Jedi die either; their subsequent purge being merely assumed.
Yes, I can see Palpatine's motivation in killing Padme, but then it would be tricky for him to find her, kill her and not realise she had a daughter. If that IS Padme that Leia remembers, of course.
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May 6th, 2001 06:29 PM |
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DarthDoopey
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Well they may not have been killed by the empire but by ROTJ there aren't any of them left except for yoda who dies soon afterwards and luke.
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May 6th, 2001 09:44 PM |
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Ushgarak
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We're pretty certain the Empire is responsible for their death; a mammoth task even for that organisation.
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May 6th, 2001 10:31 PM |
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Darth Pants
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So how does everyone think they die? I'm thinking that the temple will be destroyed, taking most of the council, the archives and a good few other Jedi with it. If the temple is shown to be a very functional base of operations in Ep2, showing its destruction in Ep3 would imply the death of the order. I can't see them being destroyed by mere droids or clones, although I must admit I was surprised to find out that a simple human (albeit with a lot of weapons) may be doing most of the Jedi fighting in Ep2.
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May 7th, 2001 12:37 AM |
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Jameous Woodshire
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From what I've seen, only a few jedi council members will survive EP2. Then of course after EP3 there will be only 2 (3 sortof) left.
As for the purge, Jango looks to do some of the killing, but we know who is supposed to take him out. (Thus making his 'son' mad at jedi forever) I've also seen a call sheet that had a few Jedi dying in a trap.
I'm not sure about that last part, but I'd say I'm 90% sure about who survives EP2.
But we will always have to see.
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May 7th, 2001 02:38 AM |
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Darth Pants
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Then again, Sam Jackson apparently said that Jedi don't start dying until the Clone Wars, which are rumoured to start after Ep2. I've only heard of one Jedi dying so far, and that was the nobody who got shot by a destroyer in the arena battle, but you may be right that a few of them die then.There's also the whole Anakin-carrying-Ada-Gallia's-lightsabre-in-some-shots-thing, why would she have lost it? By the end of Ep2,we'll probably have the general idea that Jedi can fight loads of droids because they're stupid, but clones are a different matter. I still think the temple will be destroyed though. By the way, what call sheet is that? Only thought there was one doing the circuit, the Ki Adi Mundi invading droid control ship one.
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May 7th, 2001 02:52 AM |
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Ushgarak
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That 'only a few Council Members survive Ep. II' thing worris the heck out of me, the way it has been presented... what sort of idiots woukld send their entire ruling body on a mission?
A Temple blow-out does expalin how the Jedi could be beheaded, but agin would be a disappointing cock-up by the Jedi not to have seen it coking.
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May 7th, 2001 02:52 AM |
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Jameous Woodshire
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I believe that was the same one that I saw. It seems to be a trap that they can take a small amount of jedi out.
As for all the jedi dying, I meant that it looks like about half of the council members survive. That may be a reason for Palpy to declare them outlaws in EP3. He might set them up for something to take a fall for and make them look bad in the public eye.
And if Obi in ANH can be believed, Vader (who will be in armor in EP3) will do alot of the purge.
All I can say is I hope Hayden can act, alot of the next two films will fall on his shoulders.
Also Aurra Sing is going to be back in EP2 for more screen time. She (Michionne) told me at a convention a few months ago that she hates the jedi and collects the lightsabers from the ones she kills. That may also be a clue. But she also said she had just 4 days shooting compaired to the half day shoot from EP1.
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May 7th, 2001 03:10 AM |
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Darth Pants
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Interesting stuff.You're right about Hayden's responsibility, that dark backstory that permeated the original trilogy, about the terrible events which caused the destuction of the Jedi, needs to be told by him. Millions of people from different generations are relying on him to bring it to life, in about 4 hours 20 minutes.
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May 7th, 2001 03:15 AM |
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Ushgarak
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Yes... can't help thniking that he really SHOULD have started the main story in Episode I, not II...
Vader must be on a GOOD run to kill all those bloody Jedi...
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May 7th, 2001 03:23 AM |
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Darth Pants
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Yeah, hope it's not a rush job, like Anakin needing to go and get a wet tea towel to put out a chip pan fire in the temple, but he was seduced away by the dark side for five minutes, and the place burnt down. He then helped Tusken raiders, who were on holiday on Coruscant, to pick off the remaining Jedi trying to get out of the back door. Slight exaggeration, but I bet the plot will not be as vast and complex as we all hope it will be.
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May 7th, 2001 03:35 AM |
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Ushgarak
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Maybe there's a 'Jedi- off' swtich in the Temple...
Actually, killing all the Jedi is SO unlikely that I am almost certain we won't see how they die in the films.
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May 7th, 2001 03:43 AM |
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Jameous Woodshire
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Of course not. There are thousands of Jedi. But GL will have to make it obvious that they have no chance, and to do that he will probbaly make the jedi disband so there is no orginisation agenst Palpy and Vader.
Jedi-Off! is that like a pesticide? 'Raid jedi strength!' 
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May 7th, 2001 03:59 AM |
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Ushgarak
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I didn't mean literally see them die, of course. I mean that we won't even see the direct reason. Besides, the Jedi are more than just buildings and leaders. No 'disbandment' would reduce their threat.
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May 7th, 2001 04:02 AM |
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DarthDoopey
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I was thinking that towards the end of EPIII palpy would send a star destroyer or something to just basically blow up the jedi temple which would leave only a few dozen left that were out on a mission of some sort.
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