unless ur a fanboy, there is no reason t believe that that was not the real juggs.....i will concede though that the present juggernaut who appears on the x-men roster in uncanny x-men is a farce compared to classic jugs....however, the jugs in onslought is the same classsic jugs
not true........ considering he was afraid. the same juggernaut that challenged eternity, the beyonder, thanos with the heart...... all who literally would blink onslaught or juggernaut out of existence. he pulled a gem from his chest (that wasn't there in the first place). also, juggernauts clothing and skin were physically unbreakable. the binding force of his molecules couldn't be severed. he didn't tire. he didn't need to eat/breathe/drink or sleep. he was sustained by magics alone. that and onslaught severed the bonds that made him juggernaut somehow. so if he's severed from his power source he was simply an upgraded cain marko. this is a feat that bishop couldn't perform to "true" juggernaut. the same juggernaut that when jumping from water knocked bishop unconscious. the onslaught storyline doesn't depict true juggernaut's power/character.
Juggernaut is only invulnerable when he is confrontintg a force that is inferior to the power of the gem of Cytorak or the pocket dimension that provides his powers, thus onslaught was more powerful than this gem....if u disagree that means that juggernaut is not vulnerable to any force in the marvel universe including the living tribunal or eternity or roma.....if thats what u think then u must be a fan boy
well, LT, or Eternity don't even have to confront juggernaut physically. i don't understand why you would say that. of coarse he's obviously not a match for them. i dunno how powerful onslaught was (pretty powerful considering he took out a good portion of marvel). but i'm saying that in the onlsaught storyline juggernauts power was not depicted as normal.......................
you are right.......... it didn't make any sense.............
i kinda get it............ juggernaut's on a level of power let's say on scale from 1 to 100 he's an 8. onslaught a 9. so onslaught can harm him physically. i don't agree with that. but hey to each his own.
no....but i didnt expect u to agree....even though onslought raised his hand and unleashed an EMP throughout all of manhattan and basically defeated all the earthly heroes at one time.....i think u and wolverine 8888 should argue over who would win, juggernaut, wolverine, or Goku?
lol........ yea, well i'm far from a fanboy. i have simply researched the character. let's disregaurd odin, or anybody above that level of power. because they could do basically anything they wanted with juggernaut. no physical confrontation, just simply whatever they wanted. now, let's say odin is an 11 on the scale. nobody that is 10 or below should be able to hurt juggernaut because he is physically invulnerable. completely physically invulnerable. his powers are based on the laws of physics, you can no more drop a glass of water and have it fall up, than you can hurt the juggernaut physically. it doesn't matter how strong the guy is dropping the glass it will always fall down. it doesn't matter how strong the guy is, they will never be able to physically hurt juggernaut. so should it be that by somehow they work around this little fact, juggernaut does have a healing factor. one that works at speeds atleast as great as hulks. so when he landed from onslaughts "physical" attack, he should have been long healed from it. juggernaut was not depicted as normal in that crossover. plane and simple.
well, later he gained the ability to warp reality also, by gaining access to franklin richards powers. but even before that he was immensly powerful...... somehow.
im speechless.....what r u trying to say....that the onlsaught story....a story where every old school marvel character "died" (except forHulk) was not properly edited, because juggernaut got his ass kicked?....i think u should write a letter to Stan Lee and let him know what happend...u r proving my point about the fanboy shit....Jugs is not physically invulnerable, only invulnerable to people who posses less power than the gym...however, onslought clearly had more power than the gem, than juggernaut, and any other earthly hero....so onslaught isnt more powerful than earth's ombined forces?....my bad....so juggernaut is?....fanboy....juggernaut has only appeared in like 20 issues of comics prior to the onlaught story and u dont think there could be new things to learn about him?....however characters like captain amercia who have been around since the 40' s die and u think this shit is improperly edited...ur crazy
i didn't say that onslaught wasn't more powerful than juggernaut. i simply said he shouldn't have been able to do what he did to juggernaut. juggernaut has been in more issues than 20............... that was stupid. see what i mean. do you even have any juggernaut comics or are you debating off hear say information? let's look at war hulk for example. he physically overwhelmed juggernaut, but he couldn't hurt him. War hulk possessed power that was beyond comprehension. probably more so than onslaught himself. considering it's the most powerful version of hulk (including maestro) who basically defeated a whole slew of people. so in conclusion, just because onslaught possess greater power, doesn't mean that he could hurt juggernaut physically. it just doesn't make any sense considering even thors godforce couldn't hurt him, yet onslaught was diggin around in his chest casually with his fingers. talk about contradiction.
i can get thr meaning....although there is ouslaugth has unlimit power..only if he use physical attack to hit jugg, jugg wont get any hurt....am i right??
im aware of jugs appearances, before onslaught, he hadnt been in many issues, that was my point....I own his first appearnce and many after that, they mostly all end in him getting defeated, anyway,...and no war hulk is not the most powerful version of hulk, and maestro sure as hell isnt(maestro is the same as professor, but gone mad after WWIII)....mindless hulk is the strongest....hulk that kicked the avengers ass and went toe to toe with onlsought.....(u dont sound like u know much about the hulk but u keep bringing him up when he has nothing to do with the subject, maybe cuz u dont like him)....if Hulk were in war form he would have only been a little stronger and done a little better than juggernaut and would have gotten his ass kicked just like jugs did...however he probably would have healed instantly, because he has true instant healing, and would not have been taken down by bishop.
how do you figure that the mindless hulk is the strongest? the one that braced a 150 billion ton mountain? well war simply uprooted an entire pyramid and heaved it. no getting mad. he simply had 2 universes worth of energy on command. he didn't have to get angry to use it. he is the most powerful version of hulk. also, maestro started at a base level twice that of any other hulk incarnation, not to mention that he had the ability to increase his strength with anger also. that and he was vastly intelligent. both incarnations above are more powerful than mindless hulk, there is no reason to think otherwise.
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I read the comic where Hulk lifed 150 billion tons worth of mountain last night. He wasn't mindless....hell he wasn't even mad. 10 seconds before he's holding up like 4 good guys (Spidey included) and he's trying to run from Doom's bad guys.
He started getting weaker so Reed Richards started talking crap and he was able to maintain his leverage long enough to have Reed put together some device using....ummm....Spidey's web shooter, and someone elses equipment to hook up Human torch and i believe Captain Marvel to Iron Man's armor to blast through the mountain. Oh and Thor was laying his "heaviest blows' (according to his quote) into the mountain trying to dig them out, but it only sounded like a little tap from how deep they were. Bitchin comic really.
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