And there is also other thngs that are consider wrong like abortion and gay marriages.JM
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Nothing can be considered to be fundamentally wrong - not even murder: It's wholly subjective, in the sense that for one person the act of killing someone else may be the right thing to do, while for another it's completely wrong. There is no absolute right and wrong, so murder is neither right nor wrong - only an individual can decide what's right and wrong for himself.
Moreover, to say that something is fundamental - the mode you are employing here, exacts the imperative of universality concerning a certain matter, i.e. everyone in the world agree that murder is wrong - which is not the case.
"by definition murder is the unlawful act of taking another persons life... that its generally considered wrong..."
Still, it does not justify murder to be seen as fundamentally wrong - it's still subjective - nothing is fundamental. Generally does not amount to Fundamentally.
Well, for one thing, I think that morals are something that are created by a society, not that are given to us from some higher power.
After having taken an ethics class (which I found VERY interesting), I've come to the following decision about morality: The basis of it is absolute, but how each culture defines this base makes it relative. Yes, this does make sense, if you think about it. Murder is something that in all cultures is considered to be wrong; it is an absolute moral. A society cannot continue if people are allowed to run around killing others for no reason. However, each culture has their own definition of what murder is, therefore applying relativism to an absolute.
The idea that any absolute truly exists is also subjective. Anyway, just because society deems murder wrong, doesn't make it an absolute law - that would require a deity.
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Bit of a random rationale there.
On morals, that's why the mind is so often a confusing issue in terms of crimes. Because some people just don't view things as wrong, despite everyone else (society, individuals and law) believing so. It's the basis of all debates on morals, because it sparks the questions answered in this thread. To a degree anyway.
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I belive Morals are only made up by society. And they come from the self interest of every person.
For example, most people don't want to be killed, but if they were alone in a war of everyone against everyone they would probably die rather fast, so they create a society to be stronger so they can stop people from killing them (Hobbes) and now this society makes morals that take all the self interests together so tjhat everyone can leave decent.
And to remain in this state of "peace" they the one hand make laws and on the other they teach there morals so that from the beginning people belive them to be right..
No it isn't. Any person can describe an objective concept, he just might not be able to know its details. Absolutism is simply the belief that morals are not subjectve; that remains a possibility even if no-one ever describes it, so the fact that the people describing it are subjective or otherwise is irrelevant.
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How can you prove there are objective/absolute concepts? Have you got cosmological authority?
The mere fact of the existence of interpretation and ideas countering absolutism and subjectivism proves that all is subjective.
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