a single celestial has shown to be able to do what galactus couldnt do, with the simplest of gestures... a single celestial is above galactus in overall power. marvel has outright said this. please click below.
if LT can snap his fingers, and hault the attacks of the infinity gauntlet, i'm pretty sure that he could hault it altogether.
he didnt NEED approval. he doesnt always interfere. its not how LT works. he can shut down entire universes (which all contain infinity gauntlets). i'm sure that puts him leaps and bounds above the gauntlets power. you should agree...
yes, LT could simply shut it down... which is the destruction of a universe. if it threatens the multiverse.
eternity nearly beat thanos with the gauntlet, and they were all seeking LT's help. eternity included. to stop thanos from usurping eternity from his spot in the heirarchy of mainstream reality.
whats your proof that he couldnt?? LT is almost the supreme being. the gauntlet to me is only slightly more powerful than eternity. nothing more, nothing less. it only gave the user powers of eternity, on a slightly larger scale. which is why the wearer could take the spot of eternity once he was defeated...
so the infinity gauntlet can shut down entire universe (more than one)???? if a single universe gains/loses too much power and threatens the entire multiverse??? i doubt it.... the gauntlet gives the wielder power over 1 universe, not all.
to each his own i guess...
LT had nothing on him... lol. it doesnt matter how he was "ORIGINALLY INTENDED" because he technically never existed in that state of power. LT has more power than any celestial, i doubt you could argue that. but a single celestial has more power than the beyonder. so weather you like it or not, beyonder isnt that powerful. deal with it.
its RETCON. and it means that the "original" beyonder, is what he was after the retcon... all the time. what he did in secret wars were nothing more than mere illusions. therefor he isnt allmight, or even remotely close to it.
Not to get too much off topic, (and yes, I agree that the Beyonder's powers are illusion based), But what does that mean for Venom and Carnage and all the other carnage clones?
I mean Carnage came from Venom, and Venom is Spidey's black alien suit, and Spidey got that suit from one of Beyonder's costume making machines (at least he thought thats what it was) on that planet Beyonder made up. So does that mean that Venom is still a illusion?
Not being a big Spidey fan, I dont know if that got cleared up some where.
Oh, and after reading the Infinity Gauntlet again (one of my favorite reads) it clearly shows that the Tribunal can negate the power of the Gauntlet with just a thought. And Eternity is begging him to do so
ok ..... if the beyonder really was just an illusionist, that would mean the secret wars were all fake and happened in peoples heads (including galactus i assume) so if that's all true where did spider-man's black symbiote costume (venom) really come from?????????????????
guess i should have read the last post before i added my own....... oh well at least i doubled the chances that someone else will see it and attempt to answer
First of all LT takes this "fight"...LT needn't even lift his pinky finger.
As for the Celestial vs. Galactus debate, it's widely accepted that even the WEAKEST of the Celestials is equal to, or more powerful than Galactus...but they respect him anyhow because of his place in the Marvel hierarchy.
True. Furthermore, Hulk got his leg broken by Utron as well. And when they came back, Colossus was still in love with that girl he met on Beyonder's world. Utron was brought back to life again. And if it was an illusion, where was the Thing when the FF came back without him?
Illusion? I guess the Galactus, the Celestials, Eternity, Death, Mephisto, and even LT imagined it. If LT could just snapped his fingers, then why didn't he do so in SW II and stopped Beyonder?
Furthermore, if he was just an illusionist, I guess Kurse is an illusion of Beyonder as well. You know Kurse don't you? The resurrected Algrim The Strong that was made by the Beyonder to beat Thor (which he did...and Beta Ray Bill as well). The Kurse that is part of Thor's rogue gallery? I guess those punches Kurse lade on Thor and BRB was just an illusion?
LT serves, governs, wields, and judges the MOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSST powerful of powers, except One. That one is not named Beyonder.................'nough said.
the things that beyonder did (his feats) such as beating up the entire celestial host. that was not really the celestials, because beyonder cant even beat 1 of them. the illusions were the actual beings. if galactus would have shown up really, he wouldnt have been repulsed ( i think thats the word used). if the beyonder really fought the celestials he would have been KILLED. those were the illusions. not the actual events that took place with the heroes.
the beyonder does have SOME power. but, its not anywhere near what he was "originally -THOUGHT" to be. he might be able to augment kurse, or a few other people even. but hes not anywhere near the top of the totum pole.
again you fail to realize a single celestial would have eaten the beyonder. a single celestial is below eternity. eternity is below LT. you do the math. the extreme beings that showed up during the SW were the illusions. they were beyonder showing off HIS own power. which was creating illusions of beating these higher powered beings.
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Feb 3rd, 2005 12:55 PM
a single celestial would have eaten the beyonder. a single celestial is below eternity. eternity is below LT. you do the math. the extreme beings that showed up during the SW were the illusions. they were beyonder showing off HIS own power. which was creating illusions of beating these higher powered beings.
