You can carry on dismissing the issue KG but at the end of the day in their one and only confrontation, the one time where their powers were measured against each other Phoenixes came out on top. And thats that.
Xmen forever talked of how mutants were eventually going to evolve into beings that were beyond LT and the like, while New Xmen got rid of the Phoenix retcon and Endsong which was after the End went on to conclusively dismiss the retcon and cement Phoenixes role and origins by explaining away any past retcon appearances and supporting what New xmen started again.
Just like after the beyonder retcon we can go back and explain away his omnipotent showings as mere illusions no matter how hard to fathom that might be, after New Xmen and Endsong we know for definite that Jean was the only true avatar up until recently and that all manifestations of the firebird derived from Jean. All were shards of Jeans essence which Rachel through being bonded to Jean genetically can call upon to empower herself. Rachel as an omega mutant may in the future turn into a true avatar herself and bond with the primal force of creation, however that has yet to happen. As it stands KG my friend, LT greeted and stroked a shard of Jeans essence that rachel could call upon. Thanks to New Xmen and Endsong we now know that that was the case.
KG you can continuosly keep saying that LT is the top dog to over come in the multiverse and thats true im not denying that, however ive already explained that Phoenix who exists beyond the multiverse is not a threat to be over come by universal threats. LT has never been shown in comic book form as per current continuity to be more powerful than the phoenix force. LT however has been shown to be no match for the phoenix power. If a universe dies if 100 universes die it wouldnt matter to phoenix as long as the cycle of creation isnt interfered with. (I've already supported this through previous posts check back) All of phoenixes manifestations into our plane of existence have just been to deal with threats only phoenix is capable of dealing with and without her intervention creation would be at risk. e.g multiversal M'kraan crystal, the sentient bacteria Sublime who would have ravaged creation by obtaining telekinetic godhood. The M'kraan crystal is a feat the comic said only Phoenix was capable of. Id think the destruction of the multiverse would have been a problem LT would have interfered with wouldnt you say KG?
After Phoenix has done her work she leaves our plane of existence until the next time a threat to the cycle of creation arises. Phoenix is no threat or opposition to someone who seeks domination over a universe, over someone who just wants to destroy the universe. Phoenix doesnt care about that as shown in New Xmen 154. Therefore LT is the top dog to overcome when it comes getting to the top of the multiversal hierarchy. He was the top as standard before Jean evolved however that is no longer the case obviously. It cant be argued with that Xmen Forever showed that the power of phoenix is greater than LT. The retcon explains away phoenixes past appearances and its role in creation. Phoenix is rarely in comics and the retcon does not mess up the hierarchy in the slightest. LT is the top dog to overcome in the multiverse for those seeking to destroy or dominate. However any force or entity that threatens the cycle of creation, then phoenix will mainfest in our plane of existence to deal with the threat.
Sorry KG but your only argument was rendered defunct by a recent retcon. I know you love LT, i know you hate change, who knows maybe this phoenix situation will get retconned in a few years. But as it stands right now phoenix is beyond LT. Sorry mate.
What will LT do to defeat Phoenix? We know that phoenix has greater power now. But how can you list tactics and so on for such a high tier cosmic battle? You cant. The comic showed that the power of phoenix was enough to defeat him so thats good enough. If you can come up with battle strategys i'll be very surprised. Its not like pitting SS against Superman
Please, Phoenix force has been used, and tossed (by low level thugs, and cosmic being) it can't harm the living tribunal what will it do blast him to death?
KG im not going to argue with you anymore. You are very stubborn and refuse to accept change even in the face of proof.
Its here for all to see. That parargraph i posted above explains everything. You need to accept that while LT is multiversal top dog when Phoenix manifests itself into the multivers that changes. Im not going to repeat myself the truth for all interested is above.
The one time their powers have been measured against each others phoenix came out on top. Her power was shown to be greater. Phoenix is hardly even in comics. It doesnt upset the hierarchy for teh aforementioned reasons. You need to just deal with it. Seriously.
I know its late and im probably wrong but i have tried to read this a few times but this doesnt make sense. You keep implying that these isues prove that Phoenix is more powerful than LT, but you dont make it verry clear how the issues illustrate this.
"KG lets not start this again. Here ya go:
You can carry on dismissing the issue KG but at the end of the day in their one and only confrontation, the one time where their powers were measured against each other Phoenixes came out on top. And thats that.
Xmen forever talked of how mutants were eventually going to evolve into beings that were beyond LT and the like, while New Xmen got rid of the Phoenix retcon and Endsong which was after the End went on to conclusively dismiss the retcon and cement Phoenixes role and origins by explaining away any past retcon appearances and supporting what New xmen started again.
Just like after the beyonder retcon we can go back and explain away his omnipotent showings as mere illusions no matter how hard to fathom that might be, after New Xmen and Endsong we know for definite that Jean was the only true avatar up until recently and that all manifestations of the firebird derived from Jean. All were shards of Jeans essence which Rachel through being bonded to Jean genetically can call upon to empower herself. Rachel as an omega mutant may in the future turn into a true avatar herself and bond with the primal force of creation, however that has yet to happen. As it stands KG my friend, LT greeted and stroked a shard of Jeans essence that rachel could call upon. Thanks to New Xmen and Endsong we now know that that was the case.
KG you can continuosly keep saying that LT is the top dog to over come in the multiverse and thats true im not denying that, however ive already explained that Phoenix who exists beyond the multiverse is not a threat to be over come by universal threats. LT has never been shown in comic book form as per current continuity to be more powerful than the phoenix force. LT however has been shown to be no match for the phoenix power. If a universe dies if 100 universes die it wouldnt matter to phoenix as long as the cycle of creation isnt interfered with. (I've already supported this through previous posts check back) All of phoenixes manifestations into our plane of existence have just been to deal with threats only phoenix is capable of dealing with and without her intervention creation would be at risk. e.g multiversal M'kraan crystal, the sentient bacteria Sublime who would have ravaged creation by obtaining telekinetic godhood. The M'kraan crystal is a feat the comic said only Phoenix was capable of. Id think the destruction of the multiverse would have been a problem LT would have interfered with wouldnt you say KG?
After Phoenix has done her work she leaves our plane of existence until the next time a threat to the cycle of creation arises. Phoenix is no threat or opposition to someone who seeks domination over a universe, over someone who just wants to destroy the universe. Phoenix doesnt care about that as shown in New Xmen 154. Therefore LT is the top dog to overcome when it comes getting to the top of the multiversal hierarchy. He was the top as standard before Jean evolved however that is no longer the case obviously. It cant be argued with that Xmen Forever showed that the power of phoenix is greater than LT. The retcon explains away phoenixes past appearances and its role in creation. Phoenix is rarely in comics and the retcon does not mess up the hierarchy in the slightest. LT is the top dog to overcome in the multiverse for those seeking to destroy or dominate. However any force or entity that threatens the cycle of creation, then phoenix will mainfest in our plane of existence to deal with the threat.
Sorry KG but your only argument was rendered defunct by a recent retcon. I know you love LT, i know you hate change, who knows maybe this phoenix situation will get retconned in a few years. But as it stands right now phoenix is beyond LT. Sorry mate."
Yahman. Go and read the thread this came from. I just copied and pasted. It should be on pg 2. KG has actually made me sick of phoenix threads. I cant bear to type up another explanation. Have a gd read from top to bottom.
"Yahman. Go and read the thread this came from. I just copied and pasted. It should be on pg 2. KG has actually made me sick of phoenix threads. I cant bear to type up another explanation. Have a gd read from top to bottom."
KG im not going to argue. The retcon changed merely Jeans connection with Phoenix. It didnt affect anything to do with Xmen forever. Name me an element you think it changed and i'll gladly and quite capably dismiss it. Xmen forevers ideas were incorporated into the retcon as ive told you before. It was left unaffected. Do you actually read posts KG? U should know this. Oh well. Gd try anyway.
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