Logic....
God might have given us the ability for logic, but the beginning statement of this thread does not contain any 🙂
If God gave Man Free Will, it does not mean that Man or God has prescience-knowledge of things before they exist or happen; foreknowledge; foresight.
Even if God did have such knowledge, why do you think he wouldn't have created Man or given us Free Will? If Saul, who killed many Christians, can be "saved" and enter Heaven as Paul-one of the main writers in the New Testament, perhaps anyone can change their ways.
Again, "free will" is not prescience. The existence of one does not affect the other...
Originally posted by mr.smiley
I more interested in the idea of our brain declaring are free will and less with God.What if our brain predetermines the decisions we will make,but gives us the process of decision to create the false illusion of our free will?
its like you are channeling Benjamin Libet
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What does not knowing what you are talking about have to do with atheism?
We have a choice to believe and not to believe.
A choice to live forever and a choice to dissappear forever.
Ironically, a majority of people (in the UK atleast) who believe in evolution, "survival of the fittest", are the ones who aren't interested in surviving/living forever, nor do they seem to consider it.
Who are the wiser ones?
Those who search for the chance to live forever or those who ignore the chance just because they think that they already know/understand everything?
Originally posted by xX-Angel-Xx
We have a choice to believe and not to believe.
A choice to live forever and a choice to dissappear forever.Ironically, a majority of people (in the UK atleast) who believe in evolution, "survival of the fittest", are the ones who aren't interested in surviving/living forever, nor do they seem to consider it.
Who are the wiser ones?
Those who search for the chance to live forever or those who ignore the chance just because they think that they already know/understand everything?
LOL
also, why is evolution being brought into a discussion of free will
Originally posted by xX-Angel-Xx
We have a choice to believe and not to believe.
A choice to live forever and a choice to dissappear forever.Ironically, a majority of people (in the UK atleast) who believe in evolution, "survival of the fittest", are the ones who aren't interested in surviving/living forever, nor do they seem to consider it.
Who are the wiser ones?
Those who search for the chance to live forever or those who ignore the chance just because they think that they already know/understand everything?
You are so focused on your own beliefs that you seem to be clueless about what other people believe. For example: I believe in reincarnation, so when you say live forever, I assume you mean life after death. We don't live when we are dead. We live when we are alive, life after life. Therefore, your choice is silly to me because it's a false choice.
Originally posted by xX-Angel-Xx
We have a choice to believe and not to believe.
A choice to live forever and a choice to dissappear forever.Who are the wiser ones?
Those who search for the chance to live forever or those who ignore the chance just because they think that they already know/understand everything?
Sounds like a childish take on Pascal's Wager. Atheists can't force themselves into belief because the payoff is (supposedly) better.
Also, atheists don't think they know everything. Most actually subscribe to a more scientific worldview where everything is dealt with in terms of probable facts, not dogmatic truths. It's the difference between "I know there isn't a God" and "I believe there isn't a God." The latter is defensible. The former, not so much. But I know of no one who would speak in such terms, even among the most adamant atheists.
Ignorance of differing worldviews is unfortunate. Don't let yourself be victimized by only considering your perspective.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Sounds like a childish take on Pascal's Wager. Atheists can't force themselves into belief because the payoff is (supposedly) better.Also, atheists don't think they know everything. Most actually subscribe to a more scientific worldview where everything is dealt with in terms of probable facts, not dogmatic truths. It's the difference between "I know there isn't a God" and "I believe there isn't a God." The latter is defensible. The former, not so much. But I know of no one who would speak in such terms, even among the most adamant atheists.
Ignorance of differing worldviews is unfortunate. Don't let yourself be victimized by only considering your perspective.
I hear it often, but it's not only in the area of Gods existance.
It's in the area of The Bible, and contradictions too.
Just because somebody thinks something is a contradiction doesn't necasserily mean it actually is, nor does it necasserily mean it was a mistake.
And about the free will thing, i really don't have time to explain it all, perhaps i will sometime later.
Originally posted by xX-Angel-Xx
I hear it often, but it's not only in the area of Gods existance.
It's in the area of The Bible, and contradictions too.
Just because somebody thinks something is a contradiction doesn't necessarily mean it actually is, nor does it necessarily mean it was a mistake.And about the free will thing, i really don't have time to explain it all, perhaps i will sometime later.
"Just because somebody thinks something is a contradiction doesn't necessarily mean it actually is, nor does it necessarily mean it was a mistake." Now apply that way of thinking to what some Christians say about evolution.
God ceated us with free will.
But God created everything, including intangible things like concepts.
Two of those concepts he created are forsight & potentiality. Therefore, God has the forsight to know that when He created us, He knew very well that He had created us with the potential to go to hell. Yet, His Love for us is greater than anything.
So why does He continue to create us with the potential & the possibilty that we could send ourselves to burn in hell for all eternity. He knows what he odds are (he created those odds).
Why did He give us free will along with the potentiality to burn forever in hell?
And I know He hates sin & all that. But it's still His fault. He created us in a manner that would allow the potential for that sin.
u dont know the grand design if it exists (which I believe it does) but really somebody that knows more than anybody why you gonna blame him for something...eehh...not me those answers wont come in my lifetime probably but good luck with that! go to queeqs korova blue milk bar in the star wars forum and have a drink they r free on weekends!!