Well now you know so its cool. Thats what this is all about anyway. Just debating and finding out more about the characters from the comics we all love.
So basically the Crown had decreed she had Phoenix work to perform in the future therefore she wasnt allowed to stay in the 616 reality. To be reborn into the future she had to die.
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Realistically, Pheonix should beat him, and in my opinion probably should, but if it's written in comic... well, it wouldn't be the first time Ganthet had to step in and fight off an aspect of god. The Spectre and Pheonix and any characters of this type only lose when god wills it so. They are subject to it and it only.However, Ganthet is likely the next higher teir after these beings. He is crazy powerful.
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Ganthet more powerful then THE SPECTRE??? WHERE Has it ever been shown he is more powerful??? The Spectre could have destroyed Parallax if he wanted to, it did not bother him so he left. Ganthet was there and he couldn't do anything to Parallax, so much for ganthet being more powerful then The Spectre . White Crown Phoenix wins..
it was a way for Parallax to say he was poking fun to Ganthet that he THINKS he is SOOOO powerful he is more powerful then The Spectre which he is NOT. if Ganthet was so powerful how could The Spectre kick him out of his body/spirit while Ganthet was having a very hard time even talking while Parallax was in HIS body??? Parallax didn't even dare LOOK at The Spectre when they was separated because he knew if he tried it The Spectre could take him out ez.
Hal Jordan said this right after they was separated from Parallax.
"w-We did it. together. Now destroy... DESTROY Parallax"
The Spectre then tells Hal
"Do NOT order me. I am Not your RING. I am The Spectre. And I have interfered ENOUGH. Your soul is free of the DISEASE".
Hal did not ask anyone else to destroy Parallax because he KNEW nobody else would be able to destroy it. The Spectre could have destroyed Parallax, and Ganthet is no way more powerful then The Spectre.
1) Ganthet is more powerful than the Spectre. They say so, and nobody disputes it in the comics. First off, Spectre seperating Parallax and Hal was not a terribly great feat. Hell, 5 Green Lanterns did the same thing to seperate Parallax from Ganthet. Second, Hal did most of the work anyway. Lastly, just because Hal asked the Spectre to destroy Parallax doesn't mean, he would, could or should have.
2) Jean = Phoenix is probably the stupidest thing I have EVER heard. I can't believe Marvel editors actually let Claremont get away with this garbage. Claremont himself stated that the Dark Phoenix saga should have been left alone and that the swap and switch to bring Jean back to life was stupid. Now, he is going back on everything and here he is bastardizing his precious baby. He thinks what writers did in bringing back Jean Grey was stupid, via an egg in the ocean? He just completely did away with all the drama and sacrifice of the Dark Phoenix when she sacrificed herself for love, with the stupidest plot device EVER. At least the explanation of the Dark Phoenix trying to mimic humans and not being able to deal with emotions like love was somewhat poetic!
AND here I am, defending the original Phoenix saga and I NEVER was a fan of that damn storyline anyway! X-Men running around fist-fighting with aliens to decide the fate of the universe was completely outside the scope of the X-Men and the premise of mutants in the first place. It belonged in an Avengers book. It was bigger, badder for the sake of being bigger and badder.
Now, it just got worse. Jean Grey's character, everything she did for mutants, her relationship with Scott, is completely cast aside for the sake of universal stakes and cosmic opera that makes Green Lantern: Rebirth look like a Pullitzer prize for comic continuity and legitimacy. No wonder the editors did away with Phoenix in their current X-books and no wonder they're doing so well now. The character is stupid and so are the explanations. They're going back to the basics of mutants. Bigotry in all its forms and consequences and heroism in the face of it. Marvel should retcon Phoenix as soon as humanely possible and leave X-Men The End as a damn What If? storyline and pelt Claremont with dog feces.
Ganthet is not more powerful then the Spectre, there is no way he is more powerful then Gods Wrath. Parallax even states when he is ready to enter Ganthets body: "without jordan's soul, without the spirit of vengeance. I have no hands holding me in PLACE.. You said the Spectre was NOTHING compared to YOUR power Gaurdian . And Parallax still LIVES. In YOU." rit there tells anyone Parallax is again POKING FUN at Ganthet for thinking he is more powerful then The Spectre.
Oh and Hal asked Spectre to help him separate from Parallax, and if u look at the picture of The Spectre separating all 3 of them it SHOWS The Spectre doing MOST OF THE WORK not Hal. Ganthet had the help of 5 of the Greatest GLs EVER getting him separated from Parallax. after he was separated he looked like he almost dead. yes Ganthet is powerful but not as powerful as the Spectre.......... Ganthet more powerful then Spectre is like saying he's as powerful as Archangel Michael and everyone knows he will never be that powerful.
I can't understand how you would construe that as poking fun. The reason for his final comment is to show the reader and everybody around them, that if Parallax leeches onto Ganthet, he'd be more dangerous and more powerful than he was when he leeched himself onto Hal and the Spectre. Its called 'raising the stakes.'
It's what authors usually do when they lead up to their climax. I doubt Geoff Johns purposely 'lowered the stakes' for the final act. His and the artist's character designs even make this 'Ganthet version' of Parallax more monstrous and fearsome than the 'Hal and Spectre version' of Parallax. If you're assuming that I would believe that, now you're just plain insulting me.
You my friend, need to read Rebirth more carefully. You're miscontruing Parallax's statements with your preconceptions again. But if you want Parallax's statements to be truth, here's one humdinger for you. Earlier in the series Parallax is mocking Hal Jordan and the Spectre comparing the two within their trinity as mere hosts. Parallax > Spectre (serves as host for Parallax) > Hal Jordan (serves as host for Spectre). So what about that? In your version of how the story works out, Parallax is literally contradicting himself.
Secondly, Hal did most of the work there buddy. He remembered fear and fought against it. That was Parallax's weakness. And he weakened Parallax's leech-hold onto him so much, that the writer and artist rendered Hal Jordan as literally ripping Parallax apart with his own soul. After that, Spectre provided the final flash of power to help him finish the job. If you don't believe that, then just read what Spectre says to Hal Jordan halfway through the series! After all, Spectre says HIMSELF, he had been trying to burn the infection out by grafting his soul onto Jordan's and yet, he couldn't do it. The ENTIRE time they were grafted, Spectre didn't accomplish anything and Parallax just gained strength while inside Jordan. This escalation of power and danger only turned itself around because Jordan rose up, discovered the truth and fought it himself. In the end, for you to win your argument, it is necessary to assume that Ganthet and Parallax were lying when Ganthet said his power dwarfed the Spectre's. How in the hell is that a rational assumption? I'm sorry to point it out, but only your incorrect preconceptions are leading you to assume this.
im not insulting u at all onebumbgo we are just talking, sorry if i offended u in any way. i have read rebirth many times and again just got done reading most of it.
about Spectre/Parallax though, it does not make sense for Parallax to be more powerful then Spectre. they indeed lowered the stakes sorta in power wise but replaced it with adding more drama making Ganthet be the 1 that was infested with Parallax then Hal/Spectre. The GL's are then fighting to save Ganthet from Parallax (kinda more interesting then Parallax trying to infest The Spectre when everyone knows or should know he is no match for The Spectre).
About the host part, while Parallax is being way to over confident/contradicting in himself he says they are nothing but host's to him ( we know otherwise).. About Spectre trying to burn it up himself, it seems he was trying to get rid of Parallax for Hal by himself but the main reason he couldn't do it was because he needed help from Hal too help him, that is the hole reason in #3 while Hal/Spectre/Parallax are all talking with each other, Spectre says to Hal "You must see the truth, Hal Jordan. You must help me Fight it. The Truth about Parallax, the truth about Yourself". Once Hal was not afraid and fought against it The Spectre then stepped in and finished what Hal started. The only chance Parallax had at hurting Spectre was while he was connected with Hal, after they all was no longer connected Parallax didn't even look at The Spectre.
While the JLA and 3 GL members plus Ganthet was fighting the Parallax/Hal/Spectre they was not harming him at all. If Ganthet infected with Parallax was more powerful then Hal/Spectre w/Parallax then they would have needed more help from the JLA not just 5 GL members. Guy Guardian was amazed that The Spectre was even there and was surprised they all got ditched by him sorta saying to them "idc what happens to all of you, I have to get back to heaven God is calling me"
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