Why is rape wrong?

Sins don't apply to athiests or agnostics.

There are many things that don't make a rape court case straight forward. Like was the man lead on etc. More or less, the only thing I have a problem with is the forced physical attack and the mental upset that follows (or can follow). Some men, or even women, fantasise about rape without ever wishing to experience it.

Edit to VVD: In my opinion, the common aftermath of the event, the forcing of a human to partake in something that some believe to be quite a personal act, against her/his will.

-AC

It depends if the victim wanted to be raped.

It doesn't, because then rape doesn't exist.

-AC

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Well?

*Edited in the hope that mattador will stop posting randomness.*

😆 😆 😆

Like I clarified, the thread isn't about 'rape', it's about 'wrong'.

We will get there sooner or later, though.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Well?

*Edited in the hope that mattador will stop posting randomness.*

Yes it is....

Originally posted by Solo
It depends if the victim wanted to be raped.

I wouldnt call that rape

Rape is forced against someone's will

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Like I clarified, the thread isn't about 'rape', it's about 'wrong'.

We will get there sooner or later, though.

What is your view on this then

My initial two posts were contributing to the thread by trying to deduce what the said subtext was. My last post was just a harmless joke, which I made clear. You insinuated that my joke was "ruining the thread" even though it took nothing away from it. Don't like a response that had nothing to do with you? Tough shit, your pointless knee jerk response took far more away from the thread then my admitted joke and only further contributed to off topic discussion. Next time, try ignoring the response you don't like unless there's actually something wrong with it or unless your statement has some validity or relevence in some way or another.

Rape is wrong because it's a brutal act that forces one person to submit to the will of the other in a sexyal manner, sex is something that should be consentual, not forced and violent.

Originally posted by BackFire

Rape is wrong because it's a brutal act that forces one person to submit to the will of the other in a sexyal manner, sex is something that should be consentual, not forced and violent.

Ignoring (hopefully as others will) the off-topic part:

That does sum up our opinions towards the wrongness of rape.

What I am nudging towards is more like 'what makes something "wrong", when "wrong" is clearly a subjective moral judgment'.

is the premise of this thread that some are turned on by a rape scenario? well there is a difference in cases.

in most cases the turnon is forcing someone to release their inhabitions.
you see this alot in movies and novels. the woman has reason to not have sex but really wants to, so the guy grabs her and forcefully kisses and gropes her until she gives up trying to resist. but the problem: thats not really rape imho. sure some courts would consider it rape, and i think its wrong to behave in such a manner, but the point is that the end result is mutual stimulation. i never found that shit to be a turnon, but some do and who's to stop 2 consenting adults from acting that out?

but to me, true 'rape' is the forcing of one willing party onto another who is completely unwilling....a violation. completely evil.

is that where you're loonking for the line?

and please, to anyone who is tempted, lets please not turn this into yet another "morality is just made up, so it doesnt exist, so nothing is really immoral" thread, because that shits getting way too old and pointless.

I don't believe wrong is always subjective in a valid way. Some people may not find murder of the innocent "wrong", though it is. I believe there are extremes that ARE wrong according to any sense of valid human logic. Rape is one such extreme where, no matter what, using any form of sound reasoning, it is wrong.

I didnt think Id be thinking on such a deep level tonight 🤪...I see what it is but Im having a hard time putting into words what makes 'wrong'...be wrong. 😖

maybe its because....we as humans have a 'heart' and dont want something bad happening to ourselves or orthers...and we see the said crime as ...wrong 😕

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom

What I am nudging towards is more like 'what makes something "wrong", when "wrong" is clearly a subjective moral judgment'.

When someone does something that compromises someone else's physical and/or mental state.

I agree but even then it is subjective. It's not absolute by any means (and I'm not condoning rape, for idiots reading this).

Though many rape court cases aren't just "You raped her. I sentence you to 5 years in prison." Because there are other factors. As always, mental state, provocation etc.

Whilst I can only express extreme puzzlement and be disturbed by someone who calls straight forward rape anything other than wrong, it is still up to them in their mind to decide what they believe is wrong or right.

-AC

There are other factors which contribute to HOW wrong it is. But, regaurdless of other possible factors, the act of rape is still an act of wrong doing. The degree may be subjective, but I think the act will always be wrong by use of any sound reasoning or logic.

I do agree with you. Just saying that all we will be able to do, ever, is say "It's just wrong. Here's why *loads of reasons*". To which case someone COULD (despite it being rather disturbing) just say "It's not wrong."

I think that's what VVD meant by asking what makes something 'wrong' when 'wrong' is subjective moral view. The closest we can get is, as with murder and rape, a worldwide agreement that it is wrong, with laws against it. It will never be factual.

-AC

Well, someone could say that, but unless they're able to back it up in some reasonable way, or by use of valid logic, then they would be just as wrong as the act is.

Is there a logical argument for rape being right?..I seriously doubt it...there is something so wrong about rape, on a deeper level than just a moral one...

Originally posted by BackFire
Well, someone could say that, but unless they're able to back it up in some reasonable way, or by use of valid logic, then they would be just as wrong as the act is.

It doesn't make us any more able to prove them factually wrong though.

Fi, that's the idea. Why? Nobody can say, or so it seems.

-AC

WHAT KIND OF QUESTION IS THAT IS RAPE WRONG