Traya wasn't really a Sith, that I warrant. Revan was powerful. He near obliterated the Jedi Order, but unlike the Jedi Genocide of Palpatine and Vader, he converted them.
Bane. He did more damage to the Jedi than anyone other than Sidious and eventually came up with the tactics that allowed Sidious to win. He was also ruthless(killed children infront of their parents), and powerful(nearly destroyed the Army of the Light until Kaan screwed everything up).
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Aye, Bane or Sidious or Ragnos deserves the title. Revan's tactics were good, but not good enough to warrant him victory, which is why I guess that no other Sith announced their presence and tried to take on the Republic, simply because it wouldn't work. Revan was a tactical genius, and indeed, he was charismatic. But so was Count Dooku. Sidious, as well, was very charismatic and managed to ascend to the highest office of the Republic because of it, just as Dooku managed to subvert the galaxy's most powerful commerce barons to succeede from the Republic and join the Confederacy. Charisma is all well and good, but Revan is not the only one who has it.
Traya is brilliant, and is the only other Dark Side user I can think of who is on par with the likes of Ragnos and Palpatine in intellect. But she was not a true Sith, not even in practice, simply because she didn't care for their ideals - but rather their power - which she used to try and destroy the Force.
Bane revolutionized the Sith Order, and transformed it into the secretive clandestine group that eventually led to Sidious's victory. In essence, he established the only way of the Sith that we have seen successful. The Rule of Two, for the most part, worked - and it thankfully ensured the Sith's ongoing survival - underneath the Jedi's noses. He was brilliant, and very wise, and made one of three landmark changes in the Sith ways. And this time, it was for the better.
Ragnos is the most powerful Sith we've known, I think. So powerful was he, that in a time where the Sith were heavily populated and described as 'god-like', no other Sith dared to attack him. He was described as having immense physical strength, as well as immense aptitude with the Force. Ragnos used fear, manipulation, and downright power to quell his foes.
Then we have Sidious. Sidious made the largest landmark victory for the Sith, by conquering the Republic and the Jedi in one fell swoop. He used devious tactics, and unparalleled manipulation to achieve his ends. He orchestrated one of the most taxing wars in the galaxy's history, and manipulated both ends. To add insult to injury, he ascended to the leadership of the Republic, being a Sith Lord, and effectively 'controlled' - to some extent - the Jedi before he wiped them out. In the Republic's place, he created the most powerful regime in the galaxy's history, and instituted an era of tyranny over the galaxy. Though he was eventually defeated, and though he was not all powerful, he was more effective than any other Sith, with the 'possible' exception of the aforementioned Sith Lords.
As I said, those qualities don't come with Sithhood, the're just alternative bonuses.
Revan wasn't a Sith when he beat the Mandalorians, yet he still had those characteristics.
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I must agree wit Escape, over-all Sidious takes this. Sure, he is not the strongest, or the best fighter, but he actually accomplished his goal and did something that no other sith has ever done. And he did it with the jedi following along behind him like dogs.
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Revan, is my pick. He was good and intellgent. He killed the Mandalorians, and won the war. He guided Malak to te Star forge. If Malak wouldn't have shot Revan on his ship, Revan would have been truly invincible if he got the Star Forge. Malak said it himself.
Actually, I think Revan knew about it, but since he was only gonna use the Star Forge for a certain amount of time he didnt care and/or he didnt want to become dependant on it.
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He hasn't been overpowered with ridiculous abilities? He's was the greatest lightsaber duelist in the galaxy's history. Alot of people would agree that pitting Yoda, Dooku, Sidious, and Mace simultaneously against Tulak in a lightsaber duel wouldn't be a fair match against the 4. Meaning the 4 would lose, lol.
He was extremely overpowered with ridiculous abilities, you mean.
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Have you forgotten that Sidious himself said "Once more the Sith will rule the Galaxy" meaning there have been Sith in the past that have ruled the Galaxy and definetely longer than a mere 20 years.
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So what if he is the greatest? Maybe he EARNED that title? But did Luke or Kyp EARN the ability to control a blackhole? **** no. It's because Lucas accepts just about any piece of shit that slides under his nose, instead of reading it like he should.
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He was the greatest Sith lightsaber duelist until 4000 years before the PT. Meaning that there was room for improvement. Although he likely is among the top five saber-duelists in history.
Anyway, the example you stated is the product of opinion. Just because certain people on this forum believe that Hord would defeat the four most powerful beings of an era doesn't mean that he would. If that were the case, I'd say Luke can shoot supernova fireballs out of his hands, and he'd be able to.
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That pretty much nails it.
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