"im curious. Is Rhino vs. Spider-Man considered PIS? How else would a 75-tonner beat a 15-tonner who has web cartridges and superhuman reflexes"
Oly- That one its the essence of jobbing.
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"hulk already HAS beaten thor. thor tossed away his hammer and hulk beat his arse. if thor has his hammer the whole time, war hulk might still be able to do it, though that is pure speculation because we never really found out what war hulk was truly capable of"
Oly- Beaten? No. Having the edge in the end? Yes. Hulk was frustated that even angry and without Thor having Mjolnir he couldnt put him down.
It may count as a win but never a beating. A beating its what Hulk gives to Samson 90% of the times even when Samson gets a freaking powerup, and Hulk its in his merged mode.
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"Hulks beaten him twice to my knowledge"
Oly- Not that ive seen. Even in the 2001 annual they both knocked each other only to have each one getting up again.
PIS is any instance where a fight is decided by something outside the characters' own abilities, or when some abilities are ignored/enhanced/etc. so that a person can win the fight who wouldn't normally if they were written correctly.
If Rhino gets lucky and gets a few shots in on Spidey (or hits him with a semi-truck or something) he could certainly win. Spidey can obviously win too due to his reflexes and strength. In this case, either scenario isn't really PIS....the characters have to be farther apart in abilities for it to be true PIS.
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nuh-uh, oly. hulk walked away from that fight because he knew he'd won. he HAD been frustrated, true, but by the end he knew the truth and he was no longer upset or apparently getting stronger. had the fight continued, it was clear hulk could have finished him. it was an impressive display of durability thor displayed, though. in any event, that fight was plenty conclusive enough for me. thor could no longer defend himself. by your reasoning, champion never beat ben because he stopped before he killed ben.
as far as odinforce thor -- that's a pretty silly comparison. thor at his finest hour was meant (i assume) to be regular thor with his hammer using all his powers.
hulk could never beat that one. normal thor could win 100% just by battlefield removal alone. thor has ko'd hulk with lightning blasts pretty easily in the past as well.
thor w/hammer>hulk (except perhaps war hulk, who is all speculation)
hell no, not a well writen thor..their past battles thor faught hulk h2h, i dont think know no one can beat hulk h2h, but that just my opinion..thor was fighting "hulk style", just exchanging punches and blows,not tryin to avoid or defend hulk's punches, he dident fight him using his full potential fighting ability... If thor used his hammer, and accually using his fighting skill it would be a diffrent story, hulk will get owned.
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If it is a straight up brawl with no magic than hulk...but if thor uses all his powers than he wins the majority...hulk can still win but not as much...
what is the story of King Thor? Why did he fight against marvle earth, who did he slay or kill? Who took his hand, was hulk the leader of the resistance? How did Thor assasinate Hulk and thing? How did the story end? Did anyone almost defeat him?
Desak almost defeated him but just almost. If you wanna know about KT you'll have to read Dan Jurgens Thor w/ Odinforce saga. RKT is King Thor who ended the eternal cycle of Ragnarok by destroying the Fates thread and and killing the gods of the gods known only as those who sit above the shadow and therefore surpassing his father power. Becoming the most powerful Aesir ever.
"nuh-uh, oly. hulk walked away from that fight because he knew he'd won. he HAD been frustrated, true, but by the end he knew the truth and he was no longer upset or apparently getting stronger."
Oly- I just dont agree. Its likely he felt he was getting the edge because he -was- but beating Thor he wasent. He was frustated the whole figth and until the end no matter how angry he was or how much he pummled Thor, he wouldnt stay down. Hulk himself makes mention to it at the very end.
*Beating* its scretching.
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"it was an impressive display of durability thor displayed, though. in any event, that fight was plenty conclusive enough for me. thor could no longer defend himself. by your reasoning, champion never beat ben because he stopped before he killed ben"
Oly- Im not talking about tecnical wins Leo, im talking about beatings and domination over the opponent. What Hulk did wasent a beating. It may count as a win. I count as an edge meaning he looked the better at the end. But considering Thor was still up and able to continue....i leave that to interpretation.
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of course you disagree! we've agreed a couple times in a row, i think. too much agreement between us is no good!
but you're right in this regard: hulk didn't 'kick his ass', (which is what may have been implied by my term 'beating') but it was clear to me that:
1. hulk was the stronger
2. that had the fight gone on he would have eventually ko'd/killed thor. again, thor was basically defenseless when the hammer returned to him -- hulk could have kept the beating up until thor couldn't rise.
you can't argue that thor certainly had the look of a beaten foe -- bloody, torn, while hulk was 'stronger than ever' at the end. and at the very end, it apeared hulk had the answer he had been looking for. he was no longer angry, he was satisfied. hell, even the editors of thor acknowledge hulk won in the letter column in thor 388.
i side with the editors on this one: in my book at least, i give hulk a definite win.
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