-Fist Fight- KIT FISTO VS DARTH MAUL

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Hell yeah! In fact, Exar Kun would lose to a common pond frog because swimming makes you uber!!! You think swimming is better exercise than this?
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Fisto is no where near as athletic as Maul.

Actually... yes, I do think swimming is better exercise than swinging a lightsaber around... but that's just me.

Anyway, that doesn't matter because as Faunus has stated, Kit is unlimited by vertebral restraints and thusly can attack in two or three places at once. Maul may put up a fair fight due to his athletic skills, but there is no way he could beat Kit.

Kit is flexible, yeah, so is Maul. Maul also has a hell of a lot of martial training. In fact, if you go to the link I posted, and hit foreword a couple of pages, that is typical training for Maul. Kit may have a little flexibility on Maul, but Maul has speed. Strength is unknown, so we won't count it in. Maul has spent his whole life training to be a martial weapon, and he is one. Maul is extremely resilient to pain, also, and could take hits from Kit pretty well, I imagine, not that Kit would be able to get any good hits off. They would fist fight for a little while, then, after gaining the advantage on Kit, Maul busts his dome open or something. Or grabs him by the headtails, pulls back his head, then punches him in the underside of the jaw. I don't know specifics, but I'm pretty confident Maul would win after a pretty cool fight.

Maul wins with significant trouble.

If you've read all four Comics in the Darth Maul series where he eliminates the Black Sun, alot of his maneuvers consist of kicking and kneeing.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Kit is flexible, yeah, so is Maul. Maul also has a hell of a lot of martial training. In fact, if you go to the link I posted, and hit foreword a couple of pages, that is typical training for Maul. Kit may have a little flexibility on Maul, but Maul has speed.

Uh-uh. Kit is EXTREMELLY flexible. As someone pointed out earlier, he is UNLIMITED by vertebral restraints. Darth Maul is no where as near as flexible as Kit.
And Kit is FAST. Obi-Wan could barely keep up with him in their "friendly" duel. And Obi-Wan beat Maul! Also, in Clone Wars, notice how fluently and fast he dodged and refelected laser beams UNDER WATER. Imagine how fast he'd be ABOVE WATER!!!

However, this is a fist fight, so I still say Kit wins. Like I said, Kit can easily detect Maul's weakness with his tentacles and then use it against him. Or he'd just swing his head around and give maul the tentacle THWAP.

Originally posted by MEDVOCK
Uh-uh. Kit is EXTREMELLY flexible. As someone pointed out earlier, he is UNLIMITED by vertebral restraints. Darth Maul is no where as near as flexible as Kit.
And Kit is FAST. Obi-Wan could barely keep up with him in their "friendly" duel. And Obi-Wan beat Maul! Also, in Clone Wars, notice how fluently and fast he dodged and refelected laser beams UNDER WATER. Imagine how fast he'd be ABOVE WATER!!!

However, this is a fist fight, so I still say Kit wins. Like I said, Kit can easily detect Maul's weakness with his tentacles and then use it against him. Or he'd just swing his head around and give maul the tentacle THWAP.

Let's get something straight here, dude.

Kit is limited when it comes to his vertebrae, or he would have dodged Sidious' Lightsaber when it glazed across his Nautolan chest.

If I were to compare Kit's action in AOTC and ROTS to Maul's action in TPM and DM, I could easily determine Maul as the quicker mover when it comes to Lightsaber battling.

Kenobi suprised Maul. I believe Maul had Kenobi over a cliff before Kenobi decided to hop up and flip over Maul.

And Kit can detect Emotion with his tentacles, not strengths and weaknesses.

If Kit tried to swing his tentacles at Maul, Maul would grab them and put a boot to Fisto's face faster than you can say "Curbstomped!"

Not necessarily. There was no way he could have dodged Sidious's blade, as he was in the middle of an attack at the time. He had no idea what had happened until he hit the floor.

And no, he is UNLIMITED by vertebrae restraints. Read Cestus Deception.

To tell you the truth, I thought Kit was amongst the fastest Jedi in the Geonosis Arena. In fact, he literally LEADS just about all of the Jedi into battle!

Unfortunately, judging this battle on what we see in the movies isn't a fair go for Kit. We never get to see his full potential (even though he was played by a martial artist in ROTS).

Yes, Kit can detect EMOTION with his tentacles. Hence, he could sense the second Maul loses his confidence by sensing his EMOTION and then use this to his advantage.

And I highly doubt Maul would be able to grab all of Kit's tentacles...

Originally posted by MEDVOCK
Not necessarily. There was no way he could have dodged Sidious's blade, as he was in the middle of an attack at the time. He had no idea what had happened until he hit the floor.

No, he was outmaneuvered. He attempted to perform an attack execution on Sidious and was caught right in the middle of his attack because he wasn't quick enough. A sixty year old man was quicker than him.

And no, he is UNLIMITED by vertebrae restraints. Read Cestus Deception.

I OWN the Cestus Deception and he is limited. If he was unlimited, he would have been far more flexible in the Comics and in the Movies. He was limited.

To tell you the truth, I thought Kit was amongst the fastest Jedi in the Geonosis Arena. In fact, he literally LEADS just about all of the Jedi into battle!

FANBOYISM ALERT!

He didn't lead anyone into that battle and he sure as hell wasn't the fastest. He was among some of the other Masters as a fighter. He lead no one.

Unfortunately, judging this battle on what we see in the movies isn't a fair go for Kit. We never get to see his full potential (even though he was played by a martial artist in ROTS).

We've seen him in action in AOTC and he isn't the fastest, nor does he have unlimited vertebrae abilities that you so gallantly speak of.

Yes, Kit can detect EMOTION with his tentacles. Hence, he could sense the second Maul loses his confidence by sensing his EMOTION and then use this to his advantage.

That wouldn't nesicarily help him in a battle. It sure as hell didn't help Kit when he face Palpatine. You said he could sense his weaknesses.

Maul's confidence would not falter. He died because of his arrogance in the first place. There would be no flaw or weakness in Maul's confidence AT ALL so Kit loses Kudos.

And I highly doubt Maul would be able to grab all of Kit's tentacles...

Did I say he could grab all of them? Can you quote me?

No, he was outmaneuvered. He attempted to perform an attack execution on Sidious and was caught right in the middle of his attack because he wasn't quick enough. A sixty year old man was quicker than him.

If that's what you wanna call it then so be it. The fact is, he had barely enough time to react to Sidious's attack let alone dodge it. And age matters not (not implying you said it did, just stating).

I OWN the Cestus Deception and he is limited. If he was unlimited, he would have been far more flexible in the Comics and in the Movies. He was limited.

In Cestus Deception, the author says Kit's unlimited by vertebral restraints. FACT.
The simple answer as to why Kit didn't display evidence of unlimited vertebrae restrictions in the movies is merely because the producers did not know this fact and/or it would be impossible to showcase his unique abilites given that it would take more time and money to do so. Just because we do not see Kit do such things as bend his back right back or breathe under water in the movies does not mean he cannot do so.

FANBOYISM ALERT!

He didn't lead anyone into that battle and he sure as hell wasn't the fastest. He was among some of the other Masters as a fighter. He lead no one.

Visually, Kit is the fastest Jedi in that scene. I assumed that because he was ahead of all the other Jedi, he was leading them. On the Wikipedia it once stated that Kit was one of four Jedi Generals in the arena (whom led Jedi into battle), but I know that Wikipedia cannot be trusted for canon evidence.

We've seen him in action in AOTC and he isn't the fastest, nor does he have unlimited vertebrae abilities that you so gallantly speak of.

In my eyes, he was the fastest Jedi in the arena. If you OWN Cestus Deception you'd know for a fact that KIT IS UNLIMITED BY VERTEBRAE RESTRICTIONS.

That wouldn't nesicarily help him in a battle. It sure as hell didn't help Kit when he face Palpatine. You said he could sense his weaknesses.

As I said, Kit was in shock when he was fighting Palpatine. He had hardly enough time to keep up with the Sith Lord's attacks let alone sense his weakness.. And yes, it would help him in a battle with Maul as then he'd be able to sense the second that Maul loses his confidence.

Maul's confidence would not falter. He died because of his arrogance in the first place. There would be no flaw or weakness in Maul's confidence AT ALL so Kit loses Kudos.

Maul's weakness is his OVERCONFIDENCE. Kit would eventually discover this and then use it to his advantage, as he did whilst fighting the JK droid.

Did I say he could grab all of them? Can you quote me?

If Kit tried to swing his tentacles at Maul, Maul would grab them and put a boot to Fisto's face faster than you can say "Curbstomped!"

I assumed that the inclusion of "tentacles" and "them" was reffering to his tentacles as a whole.

And yes, I am quite the FISTO FAN (hence my sig).

Well hopefully your fanboyism does not prevent you from seeing that Fisto is outmatched in EU terms, i can think of over 50 Jedi/Sith that can smother Fisto to the ground

Kit Fisto, because he has Fist in his name. 😐

Originally posted by Deception
Well hopefully your fanboyism does not prevent you from seeing that Fisto is outmatched in EU terms, i can think of over 50 Jedi/Sith that can smother Fisto to the ground

O'RLY? Name them.

Kit Fisto is in fact amongst the Jedi Order's finest. Remember that even Masters Obi-Wan Kenobi and Mace Windu were awed by his unique fighting skills.

I think this would be an extremely close match...

Originally posted by MEDVOCK
Maul's weakness is his OVERCONFIDENCE. Kit would eventually discover this and then use it to his advantage, as he did whilst fighting the JK droid.

Kit Fisto can't sense his overconfidence, that's poppycock. He could tell if a non force-sensitive was having a bad day, that's all. And if he tried to read his mind... http://www.swcomics.com/Republic_Era_c.php?i=7&f=13&s=go&name=Darth_Maul_4_of_4

Maul has more experience and has shown us much more impressive feats both in EU and the movies. I don't care if Kit doesn't have human vertebrate, Maul has proved to be better. So, while Kit squiggles around like a jellyfish, Maul tears Kits head off.

Sorgo: if you own CD then you nee to read CD. During the brutal brawl between the two Jedi and Asajj's minions, it is specifically stated that Kit's movements are not limited by the vertebral restraints that plague humans.

MEDVOCK: People who'd defeat Fisto? Aye aye aye.

- Marka Ragnos
- Lord Simus
- Naga Sadow
- Ludo Kressh
- Freedon Nadd
- Exar Kun
- Ulic Qel-Droma
- Vodo-Siosk Bass
- Odan-Urr
- Memit Nadill (?)
- Darth Revan
- Darth Malak
- Darth Traya
- Vrook (?)
- Lord Hoth (?)
- Darth Bane
- Depa Billaba
- Lord Nyax (queer)
- Jacen Solo
- Corran Horn
- Kyle Katarn
- Kyp Durron
- Raynar Thul / UnuThul
- Lomi Plo

That's twenty-four purely EU characters who'd take Fisto in a battle. I'm not even considering the movie characters and their EU incarnations.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Kit Fisto can't sense his overconfidence, that's poppycock. He could tell if a non force-sensitive was having a bad day, that's all. And if he tried to read his mind... http://www.swcomics.com/Republic_Era_c.php?i=7&f=13&s=go&name=Darth_Maul_4_of_4

Maul has more experience and has shown us much more impressive feats both in EU and the movies. I don't care if Kit doesn't have human vertebrate, Maul has proved to be better. So, while Kit squiggles around like a jellyfish, Maul tears Kits head off.

I can do this to. While Maul struggles to touch Kit, the Nautolan whips around him and knocks his horns into his brain.

Yes, Kit Fisto can sense ones emotional status. He can sense how his enemy reacts to his attacks and then use this to his advantage. As he can sense emotion, he can detect the second his enemy loses their cool or gains it.
I'm still waiting to see the 50 Jedi/sith that can defeat kit fisto... (not saying their aren't any, just interested to see them all).
And Faunus, whilst I appreciate your list, whether or not all those Jedi/Sith can defeat Kit Fisto is still arguable. I find it interesting though how just about all those jedi/sith you mentioned aren't even from Kit's era...
Anyway, if swinging his head wouldn't work, then Kit could merely pick up two of his tentacles and use them as a whip on maul... 🙂

eh Medvock? These guys are the titans from all time. I know you've rarely strayed from the PT era, but it's true these guys curbstomp him.

Originally posted by MEDVOCK
Yes, Kit Fisto can sense ones emotional status. He can sense how his enemy reacts to his attacks and then use this to his advantage. As he can sense emotion, he can detect the second his enemy loses their cool or gains it.
I'm still waiting to see the 50 Jedi/sith that can defeat kit fisto... (not saying their aren't any, just interested to see them all).
And Faunus, whilst I appreciate your list, whether or not all those Jedi/Sith can defeat Kit Fisto is still arguable. I find it interesting though how just about all those jedi/sith you mentioned aren't even from Kit's era...
Anyway, if swinging his head wouldn't work, then Kit could merely pick up two of his tentacles and use them as a whip on maul... 🙂

See this picture?

The cat is Kit Fisto. The dog? Everyone else.