2) From what we've seen so far it is very much universal but thats just due to limited appearances. Either way we cant speculate.
3) Please remember that he absorbed the universe first. Its not like he created a new one from scratch. Big difference.
As for your comments pertaining to Classic Beyonder it was claimed he had power a million times greater than the Marvel multiverse, a claim that was never supported on panel by any on panel feat, but was however conflicted by his on panel appearances.
a) Took the majority of his power to take out an abstract and then it was beyond his ability as stated to resurrect Death through an output of power (Therefore conflicting with that "million times" claim.) Just doesnt add up.
b) His power was stolen from him by Doom, with Galactus' power (which by that point he had exhausted) and a power absorption device. Given that the process never endowed Doom with power instantly, that Beyonder had a chance to fight it, that million times claim doesnt add up. Plus if Beyonder was truly omniscient he would have foreseen this. He did not.
Thanos with HOTU was certainly presented as being supreme however if his power stemmed from a universal power source then he most certainly was NOT, considering who we know manifests as the Big Bang.
Feats wise Thanos with HOTU (Its actually HOTI) never did anything beyond what Phoenix has actually done or been claimed by reputable sources to be able to do. So with those two points in mind its really not as clear cut as saying Thanos beat up the abstracts and LT he looked supreme so i think he wins. When all things are taken into consideration its far from as simple as that.
If the Great Evil Beast truly is the polar opposite of the Presence then i cant see anyone beating it. I'll have to researchg into that though as forum talk is far from reliable.
If it isnt then as far as im concerned this is between the Phoenix and the Beyonder
No. Its cos this thread has been done to death, the last one as recently as last month. I'll post a link later when i can be bothered. No sense in re-treading old arguments.
No. Its cos this thread has been done to death, the last one as recently as last month. I'll post a link later when i can be bothered. No sense in re-treading old arguments.
Understood. My intention here wasn't to try and make a "new" kind of thread hoping it would extend to 100 replies. I said before that even if it only goes to TEN replies I'd be happy, and the fact that it made it to a second page makes me even happier lol
[Thanos with HOTU was certainly presented as being supreme however if his power stemmed from a universal power source then he most certainly was NOT, considering who we know manifests as the Big Bang.
I know, cuz then that would be JUST LIKE another IG...even in its current intepretation.
Feats wise Thanos with HOTU (Its actually HOTI) never did anything beyond what Phoenix has actually done or been claimed by reputable sources to be able to do. So with those two points in mind its really not as clear cut as saying Thanos beat up the abstracts and LT he looked supreme so i think he wins. When all things are taken into consideration its far from as simple as that.
Wouldn't White Pheonix of the Crown actually take HOTI if you think about it? Isn't she the total creative force behind Marvel's Multiverse ? The HOTI kinda just BARGES in on that order.
If the Great Evil Beast truly is the polar opposite of the Presence then i cant see anyone beating it. I'll have to researchg into that though as forum talk is far from reliable.
So true. And I myself have come up short trying to find out more info on beings such as Presence, Great Evil Beast, Lucifer, Micheal, Hotu, etc. Because google and yahoo always bring me back to THIS website, they don't ever reveal to me any valid sources. And even of Vertigo's website, they only have descriptions of graphic novels, not the basic facts of thier characters....its really tricky trying to defend/attack certain characters, so I work with what I already know/hear/read, and i think i always admit when my points were totally mislead.
If it isnt then as far as im concerned this is between the Phoenix and the Beyonder]
Yeah, and then there's no telling who would win how. The ONLY conclusion that I could come up with, is that Pheonix is a REALISTIC part of Marvel's structure while Classic Beyonder is not.
Pheonix plays a major role in Marvel's entire order and structure, universal and multiversal.
Classic Beyonder is an INTRUDER, he supports nothing that has to do with MU's wellbeing or continuity, he just plays with it.
Considering that Pheonix is a more tangible force, while Classic Beyonder is an uber powerful "child" playing with universes, and was said to represent the writer.....
I'd only conclude for myself, that Classic Beyonder would win, because it's like a CARTOON VS REAL LIFE....bear with me. Pheonix is more real than CB, because she plays a valid role in MU, while Classic B just intruded and started effing around with MU.
I doubt Classic Beyonder has a true weakness since he isn't connected to anything, while Pheonix is very real to the MU, and perhaps more vulnerable since SHE HAS AN ORDER.....
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