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You mean preretcon B is above LT.. Yeah Thats what they say.. But there is not enough feat. to me that shows it..

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Yes, but it was explained later that it was not really them..and since there was no fight between Beyonder and the Cosmic entities other than big G... It is quite hard to stipulate if pre retcon beyonder is above said cosmic beings.

Beyonder made short work of the Celestials.

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You mean preretcon B is above LT.. Yeah Thats what they say.. But there is not enough feat. to me that shows it..

but it does shown all of the cosmics cowering in fear of the beyonder, too scared to fight him, if LT could have beaten him he would have

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Yes he did.. but LT, Eternity, Death, Galactus could just as well do it.

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The Beyonder physically beat down the Celestials just to teach them a lesson. And when he got all his power back, it's stated he is millions of times more powerful than the entire Multiverse. Not only that, but the LT was one of the abstracts that pleaded with him not to kill Death.

Plot device or not, it doesn't change the fact that before he was retconned, that was the Beyonder's power level. He was the most powerful being ever created in Marvel.

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but it does shown all of the cosmics cowering in fear of the beyonder, too scared to fight him, if LT could have beaten him he would have

Yeah.. but as i say they never fought. Why were they not scared against IG, and HOTU?

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Jul 26th, 2006 05:24 PM

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Yeah.. but as i say they never fought. Why were they not scared against IG, and HOTU?

exactly because the hotu, and ig are nothing to beyonder.......xavier comments on beyonder saying that all beings are nothing but insects to the beyonder he has the power of 10 million multiverses

Jul 26th, 2006 05:27 PM

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The Beyonder physically beat down the Celestials just to teach them a lesson. And when he got all his power back, it's stated he is millions of times more powerful than the entire Multiverse. Not only that, but the LT was one of the abstracts that pleaded with him not to kill Death.

Plot device or not, it doesn't change the fact that before he was retconned, that was the Beyonder's power level. He was the most powerful being ever created in Marvel.

Its been a while since i read those series but who stated he was the most powerfull being in the entire Multiverse, Was it the Narator or the Cosmic entities on Panel?

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exactly because the hotu, and ig are nothing to beyonder.......xavier comments on beyonder saying that all beings are nothing but insects to the beyonder he has the power of 10 million multiverses

But how does Xavier know these, has he ever fought The CB, has he ever meet them before? I mean how does a human comprehend the scope of power from these beings.

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Yeah.. but as i say they never fought. Why were they not scared against IG, and HOTU?

Exactly. Why not? They thought they could defeat the IG and HOTU. They knew they couldn't stop the Beyonder. He had the power to completely destroy the entire multiverse, leaving himself only alive. Nothing and nobody ever had been stated to have that much power.

Jul 26th, 2006 05:29 PM

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techniqually the one above all "not refering to the celestial" is considered to be the most powerful being, but its been hinted at that this being is either stan lee or jack kirby

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Exactly. Why not? They thought they could defeat the IG and HOTU. They knew they couldn't stop the Beyonder. He had the power to completely destroy the entire multiverse, leaving himself only alive. Nothing and nobody ever had been stated to have that much power.

i agree, because the beyonder actually did destroy the multiverse, but later recreated it

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Its been a while since i read those series but who stated he was the most powerfull being in the entire Multiverse, Was it the Narator or the Cosmic entities on Panel?

On panel, by the narrator. Here's the link:

http://img431.imageshack.us/my.php?...morepowerfu.jpg

Jul 26th, 2006 05:35 PM

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What book did Beyonder beat down a celestial?

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Exactly. Why not? They thought they could defeat the IG and HOTU. They knew they couldn't stop the Beyonder. He had the power to completely destroy the entire multiverse, leaving himself only alive. Nothing and nobody ever had been stated to have that much power.

As i recall the CB's did not beat HOTU, and IG(cept. LT).
But my question is Was it the Narator or the CB's that stated, preretcon Beyonder is the most powerfull entity in the multiverse? Id agree if the Narator or CB's stated this.

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Ohh..right forgut about that.. destruction of the multiverse..

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What book did Beyonder beat down a celestial?

Here's one pic of it:

http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?...estials4hq8.jpg

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Jul 26th, 2006 05:44 PM

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That was a BS back then there was no real info on LT or Eternity like to day.

Where'd you get that from?

Eternity was the embodiment of the Universe(space)FAR before the Secret Wars saga.

Death

LT was the Multiversal judge before classic-Beyonder came on the scene.

These Abstract too:

Lord Chaos & Master Order(they had their own universe back then)

Mistress Love and Master Hate

Chronos who was the embodiment of Time then(now it's Eternity)

Infinity(embodiment of space)did not exist back then.

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Infinity Guatlet Thanos emprisoned Death and I am sure he could have killed her If he had wished

That's speculation.

First off that was the Single Universal Aspect of Death NOT the Multiversal one...

Beyonder erased Death from the Multi-verse.

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The IG is below LT.
Preretcon Betonder is above LT.

I concur.

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The Beyonder was a controversial character amongst creators. Creators felt that Jim Shooter had abused his role as editor-in-chief, and forced the use of the omnipotent character upon other writers and editors. Some critics felt the crossovers didn't always mesh well with the main book. One of the most vocal critics was John Byrne.

Apparently, Steve Englehart wanted to tie in the Beyonder to older characters known as the Beyonders (first mentioned in the team-up comic Marvel Two-in-One #63, beings powerful enough to collect planets) for his "Secret Wars III' story in Fantastic Four #318-319. According to Englehart, editor Ralph Macchio hated the character and ordered the Beyonder "removed" from the Marvel Universe. Englehart did as asked but has stated that he tried to exile the character with dignity. The character was subjected to a retcon making him less potent than originally determined, and explanations of his omnipotence have been written off as the more powerful beings "playing along" to ease the Beyonder's transition into self-awareness.

I've read that before...

It's inconsequential because until the retcon...everything Beyonder did was on panel and actual.

This is why we refer to this version as Pre-Retcon Beyonder.

The funny thing about the retcon...that even in that issue #319...

Beyonder(who's supposed to be an incomplete cosmic cube)
Was a Universe...and Kubik who's supposedly can warp reality upto a pocket dimension...turned Beyonder's entire universe into a pebble.

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