gladiator would win if he was confident as u say, his power is unlimited as long as he believes it is.......and hercs brute powers would be no match for surfer's power cosmic, surfer takes this one easily
Well said. Outside of Thanos Thor has probably been surfers toughest opponent consistently. Thor did defeat SS in the blood and thunder series without help(no powerup despite what people think), he just wasnt holding back. Even surfer said so. Poor Herc has the physical means but not the while package it takes to stand up to SS.
and also remember that hulk respects herc because of his brute strength, but surfer could beat herc with his other incredible powers, brute strength wouldnt play a part in this fight
Gender: Male Location: Following the Source of Light.
Not trying to go too far off topic, so a short answer will suffice, but why do you say that? Has it not been stated that Warrior Madness is Thor X10 of his usual strength? That seems like a powerup to me. What's your opinion?
Gender: Unspecified Location: REALM OF THE UNDERWORLD
Not to go off topic but if you remember when both BRB and SS beat down WMThor and was on the Ground BRB said to SS That Thor drew strength from the madness. Which makes me beleived that he grows stronger as the madness progress.
I get tired of hearing that thrown around so often. I'm pretty sure, NO ONE, on panel has EVER stated that Warrior Madness Thor is ten times as strong as a normal Thor.
If someone can post a scan, I'd be happy to reconsider, till then, it's bullshit made up by a fanboy long ago, that just got passed off again and again.
That said, Surfer is superior to Thor, who is superior to Hercules.
Gender: Male Location: Following the Source of Light.
Disregarding the X10 business, Warrior Madness Thor has been stated to draw strength from his madness and has been shown to be stronger than his 'normal' self. That being the case, I would consider WM to be a powerup, just like King or Rune Thor are a powerup over Classic Thor.
That's as far off topic as I'll go. Does anyone have a way that Hercules would gain a majority win over the Silver Surfer? Would he not have to be as strong as WM Thor or Thanos to do so? I just don't see Herc at those levels, Immortal or otherwise.
Warrior madness Thor is not. However, berserk Thor is and its on panel. Stated so by Thor. It was in a comic during the onslaught saga. Thor was talking to Jane Foster and red Norvell about going Berserk or putting on the bear shirt. He said in this state he was totally mindless and was 10x as strong as he normally is. I dont have a scan but trust me its there.
I dont doubt that the insanity during the B&T saga made him more resiliant but I think the big benifit was to stop holding back and fighting like he meant it.
No, doubt I think that it was akin to an adrenalin surge like insane and physcotic people(or strung out) will get when they feel threatned ect. The only time in a comic the 10x str has been mentioned is in the onslaught saga. To my knowledge anyway. It is there though. I wish I could post it but I dont remember the book or have a scanner. I know thiers a lot of people who probably dont believe it.
Last edited by MJOILNIR on Aug 8th, 2006 at 08:04 PM
Actually, SS never beat down Thor, BRB did, and it was revealed later that it was not warrior madness but simply lunacy derived from all the mind jobs odin put thor through.
BTW, berserker rage, which is said to boost strength by 10x is not a "powerup" any more than Hulk's "rage" is a powerup. In fact, it is less so, being that all Berserker rage is is a stripping away of inhibitions to get to a mindless savage state.
I'm not doubting that a Warrior Madness Thor is stronger than a regular old Thor. I just don't think "Ten times" is entirely accurate, considering the regular showings.
Besides that, we know that a LOT of the Onslaught saga had some holes in it....just ask Newjak about Juggernaut in the Onslaught saga .
Also, my point about Warrior Madness not being ten times Thor wasn't said to take anything away from Thor, but rather, ADD to it. I believe Thor is incredibly powerful, yet, he holds back constantly.
Warrior Madness Thor isn't a power-up, it's not some extra-dimensional gift, it is simply a normal Thor, who loses his inhibitions. In fact, pretty much any Thor vs. thread should take Warrior Madness into account, considering that the combatants are supposed to be fighting at the best of their ability. Meaning, if we are to take a hulk that is enraged, we should take a Thor that is in warrior madness.
Just my opinion though :-/. And Thor hardly relates to this thread, except for the fact that he is Hercules' equal in strength. In actual combat, Thor would murder Hercules through versatility, even if they are matched in strength.
Just like the Surfer would murder Hercules through versatility, even if they are arguably matched in strength.
When I was talking about Thor explaining the "berserk" state I should mention that I dont know of any time he has actually used it in a comic. It is a mythologocal consistant of Thor and a historical consistant of the vikings though. Like I said, I dont know of it ever being used on panel. I did like that mythological refernce though and would love to see it done on panel.
Oh and sorry Betagueze for getting off topic on your thread.
Gender: Unspecified Location: Under Spidey's Fist.
Some guy once said that Hercules is potentially strongest one in the marvel universe, or something similiar (Superman vs Herc thread). I think he said Hercules is stronger than Thanos *Rolls eyes*
Anywayz, Hercules' only chance would be if Surfer forgot all of his other powers and decided to slugfest Herc. (Without using super speed though) Herc's stats are remarkable, but he lacks the ranged attacks, speed and flight. These are essential against "Superman- Characters".
__________________
"Don't you know who I am? He must not know who I am! I'm The Ju.. Eh, Rhino! B*tch!"
Ugh, I hate it when people compare Superman to the Surfer.
I mean, Superman may be getting random, idiotic powers from out of nowhere, but he will NEVER be as versatile as the Surfer is. The Power Cosmic is FAR superior to kryptonian DNA. In every way, shape, and form.
Gender: Unspecified Location: REALM OF THE UNDERWORLD
SS never beat Thor but both BRB and SS (mostly BRB did the damage)
beat Thor and was in the ground while BRB explained to SS what has happened, Thor drew more strength in the madness and round 2 started.
Did not know that.. kinda like Wolverine berserker rage then. What # of Onslaught saga was this mentioned?
KMC Community Forums
Aug 8th, 2006 05:40 PM
I think that it was akin to an adrenalin surge like insane and physcotic people(or strung out) will get when they feel threatned ect. The only time in a comic the 10x str has been mentioned is in the onslaught saga. To my knowledge anyway. It is there though. I wish I could post it but I dont remember the book or have a scanner. I know thiers a lot of people who probably dont believe it.
