Levels of Hell?

Originally posted by Storm
The Divine Comedy is composed of hell (9 circles), purgatory (7 terraces) and paradise (9 spheres).

Great works, everyone should read The Divine Comedy, even if one isn't religious. Ah, it would have been so much better to study that in High School English then some of the texts we worked on.

He has no special power, though; he does not rule hell

I believe it is in part derived from the debate of theodicy. Those people that believe that God is all powerful and all good and Satan the essential manifestation of evil - but evil must be powerful to mess up God's plan, so logically Satan must be powerful (he did challenge God and was first of the angels after all.)

And of course the whole early Christian literary works (and later ones) on the subject have Satan often appear as "ruling in Hell" - the other option being him as a prisoner being tortured in a prison of God's making (and such Sadism is hardly in line with the concept of God being a good guy) - better to have hell such a bad place because Satan, who is evil, rules it, rather then it being, well, hellish because of God.

Originally posted by ThePittman
I couldn’t find this posted before so if it is sorry. I was thinking about this while on lunch today eating a Big Mac. So if you don’t believe in God or you commit sins and don’t repent you go to Hell. Well while you are there are their different levels of suffering and is it based off of your deeds and if so why would the Devil follow that rule. I would think if the Devil is against God he would reward the ones that broke the most of God’s rules and punish the ones that followed them. If there are no levels then one that followed most of God’s rules would suffer just as much as a mass murder?

To be more technical people go to Hell for refusing to trust Jesus Christ for salvation from their sins.

God the Father is the One Who sits in Judgment, not the devil. The devil will be among those who will be cast into the Lake of Fire (see Revelation 20:10). The Lord God Almighty will righteously and justly reward (i.e. repay, recompense, or make sure that each person whose name is not written in the Lamb's Book of Life suffers the full brunt or extent of their sins as recorded in the books {i.e. book of recorded deeds}, in proportion to the degree of sin committed). God will not hold the unsaved, Jesus-rejecting populace accountable for any sin other than what they (i.e. each, individual person) has personally committed in their mind, words, and actions. God is just and will ensure that each person's sentence in the Lake of Fire is commensurate with their own personal sins. If you do not want Jesus in this life then it is logical that you would not want Him in the life to come. Consequently, God will do everything that He can to make sure that you do not have to spend eternity with Jesus in paradise, peace, joy, pleasure and the like. I am not being facetious. I do not understand why so many people think (almost by default) that everyone goes to Heaven no matter whether they have trusted in Jesus Christ for salvation from sin or not. I have yet to see or hear about a funeral where a person is said to be in Hell. Everyone automatically assumes that a person has gone into Heaven. But the fact of the matter is that most people are not going to Heaven. It is the exact opposite. By default, because of innate sin, we are all destined for Hell until we do something in this life to alter our course. We can change our destination simply by repenting of our sins and then putting our faith (i.e. child-like trust) in Jesus Christ for salvation from our sins. At this moment we are born again and on our way to Heaven. If this did not answer your question then I will make another effort to.

Luke 9:56
For the Son of Man [Jesus Christ] did not come to destroy men's lives but to save them.

Well there's your answer, close the thread.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
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I have yet to see or hear about a funeral where a person is said to be in Hell.

No kidding...

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
To be more technical people go to Hell for refusing to trust Jesus Christ for salvation from their sins.

Kinda harsh, no ?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[BGod the Father is the One Who sits in Judgment, not the devil. [/B]

I know....that's why I don't like God. He's the one that actually sends you to Hell, not Satan.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[BThe devil will be among those who will be cast into the Lake of Fire (see Revelation 20:10).
[/B]

So who's the real bad guy ? God or Satan ? God sounds even meaner !

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
God will not hold the unsaved, Jesus-rejecting populace accountable for any sin other than what they (i.e. each, individual person) has personally committed in their mind, words, and actions.

1) Prejudice
2) Hypocritical
3) Judgemental

All 3 very unattractive qualities. Your God sucks ✅

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
God is just and will ensure that each person's sentence in the Lake of Fire is commensurate with their own personal sins. If you do not want Jesus in this life then it is logical that you would not want Him in the life to come.

You are the LAST person who has the credibility to talk about LOGIC

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
It is the exact opposite. By default, because of innate sin, we are all destined for Hell until we do something in this life to alter our course.

So we don't really have a choice do we ?

No one asked to be born....God FORCED us into the Trial of Life.....we only have him to blame for his own bullshit.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
To be more technical people go to Hell for refusing to trust Jesus Christ for salvation from their sins.

God the Father is the One Who sits in Judgment, not the devil. The devil will be among those who will be cast into the Lake of Fire (see Revelation 20:10). The Lord God Almighty will righteously and justly reward (i.e. repay, recompense, or make sure that each person whose name is not written in the Lamb's Book of Life suffers the full brunt or extent of their sins as recorded in the books {i.e. book of recorded deeds}, in proportion to the degree of sin committed). God will not hold the unsaved, Jesus-rejecting populace accountable for any sin other than what they (i.e. each, individual person) has personally committed in their mind, words, and actions. God is just and will ensure that each person's sentence in the Lake of Fire is commensurate with their own personal sins. If you do not want Jesus in this life then it is logical that you would not want Him in the life to come. Consequently, God will do everything that He can to make sure that you do not have to spend eternity with Jesus in paradise, peace, joy, pleasure and the like. I am not being facetious. I do not understand why so many people think (almost by default) that everyone goes to Heaven no matter whether they have trusted in Jesus Christ for salvation from sin or not. I have yet to see or hear about a funeral where a person is said to be in Hell. Everyone automatically assumes that a person has gone into Heaven. But the fact of the matter is that most people are not going to Heaven. It is the exact opposite. By default, because of innate sin, we are all destined for Hell until we do something in this life to alter our course. We can change our destination simply by repenting of our sins and then putting our faith (i.e. child-like trust) in Jesus Christ for salvation from our sins. At this moment we are born again and on our way to Heaven. If this did not answer your question then I will make another effort to.

[b]Luke 9:56
For the Son of Man [Jesus Christ] did not come to destroy men's lives but to save them. [/B]

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Well you are delaying my Salvation, simply because you are tired. Would not God be angered at your selfishness of putting your comfort before the salvation of another ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Kinda harsh, no ?

I know....that's why I don't like God. [b]He's the one that actually sends you to Hell, not Satan.

So who's the real bad guy ? God or Satan ? God sounds even meaner !

1) Prejudice
2) Hypocritical
3) Judgemental

All 3 very unattractive qualities. Your God sucks ✅

You are the LAST person who has the credibility to talk about LOGIC

So we don't really have a choice do we ?

No one asked to be born....God FORCED us into the Trial of Life.....we only have him to blame for his own bullshit. [/B]

Don't get all bent out of shape. What JIA is talling you is all lies anyway. However, he will never see it because he has closed his mind.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
he has closed his mind.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Even mentioning close-mindedness on forums--religions forums even moreso--is asking for a "Pot, meet kettle" one-liner.

The difference is I have been a Christian. I have a clear understanding of the Christian point of view. I reject it because it is lies, and I know this from past experience. However people like the person I was referring to know nothing about Buddhism or any other way of thinking and still they reject it all. That is closed mindedness. I am not closed minded, for I gave Christianity years of my life, just to find out that it was a total lie.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The difference is I have been a Christian. I have a clear understanding of the Christian point of view. I reject it because it is lies, and I know this from past experience. However people like the person I was referring to know nothing about Buddhism or any other way of thinking and still they reject it all. That is closed mindedness. I am not closed minded, for I gave Christianity years of my life, just to find out that it was a total lie.

Same here. My turn away from Christianity was recent at best. Two and a half years ago I gave it up. It doesn't work for me.

If it works for other Christians, then that is fine.

But I think it's arrogant for any Christian to expect others to drop thier own beleifs and accept thiers without Valid Reason or some proof at the very least.

I know many Religions. And I think they're all shit for salvation.

Originally posted by ThePittman
Well I know that you are not going to see this because for some reason or another you are ignoring me but you still didn’t answer my question. You said that we are all going to hell until we repent our sins and believe in JC but when you are in hell does everyone suffer the same. I want to hear your opinion on this.

No they do not all suffer the same for the reasons that I already stated.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No they do not all suffer the same for the reasons that I already stated.

Originally posted by ThePittman
So what role does the devil play in hell at all? Then not only is God the deliver of pleasure and salvation but also the deliver of pain and suffering as well. If the Devil has no power at all then it is God that causes the suffering of men.

No, God gives people exactly what they want. If you don't want God's love then the only alternative is God's wrath.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No, God gives people exactly what they want. If you don't want God's love then the only alternative is God's wrath.

Also I don’t want God’s favor or wraith so he doesn’t give me what I want.

Originally posted by ThePittman
That has absolutely nothing to do with what I just asked.What role does the Devil play?

Also I don’t want God’s favor or wraith so he doesn’t give me what I want.

I perceive that you are trying to trap me in my words Pittman. I have already stated what the devil's role is.

Why does god use Euros?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I perceive that you are trying to trap me in my words Pittman. I have already stated what the devil's role is.

Originally posted by Alliance
Why does god use Euros?

I thought it was some sort of economic joke 😂

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