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Originally posted by TheEvilHex
Juggs runs him over.

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Originally posted by Newjak
It's hard to say cain has also taken pretty good atacks that are none physical in nature and survived.

Anyways as for the Penance Stare I say it would kind of work but to what degree unkown.

Cain already has every evil though in his head being amplified in fact it seems to full his power the more he hates the stronger he seems to get. Just look at his fight with D'Spayre.

So while it may bring forth every Evil thing Cain has done whether it would put him down or only make him angrier I think is the question.

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Originally posted by nimbus006
Penance stare doesn't just bring forth every evil thing you've done. It makes you feel all the pain you've ever caused other people all at the same time. And with Cain's track record thats alot of pain.

The only question here is will Juggernaut allow GR to get close enough to use it. However, Hellfire might also be able to affect Juggs since it hits the soul and is not a physical attack.

I'll say each take 5/10.

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Originally posted by Newjak
Cain doesn't feel pain


It may work but it isn't absolutely guaranteed that it will effect Cain enough

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Originally posted by nimbus006
HAHA! Your right he doesn't feel pain... at least not physically. However, look at what he just went through in New Excalibur. He told Cyttorak he didn't want to keep doing all the things he's done in the past, which is why he didn't kill the new Juggernaut/samurai thing. So at least we know he has a conscience. And if he has a conscience and knows whats right and wrong, then he will be effected by the penance stare. Now more than ever it will effect him since he is feeling guilty for what he is doing.

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Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
If its Nic Cage he beats him down.

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Originally posted by nimbus006
Penance stare doesn't just bring forth every evil thing you've done. It makes you feel all the pain you've ever caused other people all at the same time. And with Cain's track record thats alot of pain.

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Originally posted by nimbus006
The only question here is will Juggernaut allow GR to get close enough to use it. However, Hellfire might also be able to affect Juggs since it hits the soul and is not a physical attack.

I'll say each take 5/10.

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Originally posted by nimbus006
However, look at what he just went through in New Excalibur. He told Cyttorak he didn't want to keep doing all the things he's done in the past, which is why he didn't kill the new Juggernaut/samurai thing.

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Originally posted by Mider999
i dont think its a stalemate, juggernaut will end up dropping a building on ghost rider

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Originally posted by juggernaut74
I don't even know if the stare would work. But if it does GR will win. If not then Juggy will win.

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Originally posted by KillAll
yes, cain has done a LOT in the past. but i also believe it depends souly on if the penance stare is MAGICAL, or MENTAL in nature. if its mental the helmet has to come off, and juggernaut wins 10/10. if its magical it could very well be the other way around...


even if juggernaut does feel the hellfire, i doubt it will do much. he will only get angry. i think this fight depends souly (no pun in intended) on the panance stare and its nature



actually in issue 2 of the arch you see juggernaut try to grab the gem. but a crimson field stops him. the samurai guy touched the gem and challenged cain for mantle of the juggernaut. 1 gets death the other the power of the juggernaut. in order for cain to touch the gem he had to kill the guy. in the end of issue 3 he is holding the gem with a cloth between his hand and it. he DID kill the guy.