The strongest villain in X-Men

Originally posted by Starhawk
1) Yes she did have the phoenix with her at that time. Did you forget that issue in Alaska before that where Scott found her in the snow and it had melted into a phoenix image around her?

2) I meant Onslaught when he had access to Franklin and Nate Grey's powers.

3)The White Crown Phoenix is the nexus, not Dark Phoenix.

1) That happened WAAAAAAY after Onslaught so referring to it is useless to your argument.

2) Onslaught with all of that added power still wouldnt have been a match for the Phoenix. Dark Phoenix has eaten universes in What Ifs and in this one eaten stars and been stated to be a far more significant threat than Galactus.

3) The Phoenix Force itself is the nexus and all avatars of the Phoenix whatever their incarnation would be able to tap into this power.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
1) That happened WAAAAAAY after Onslaught so referring to it is useless to your argument.

2) Onslaught with all of that added power still wouldnt have been a match for the Phoenix. Dark Phoenix has eaten universes in What Ifs and in this one eaten stars and been stated to be a far more significant threat than Galactus.

3) The Phoenix Force itself is the nexus and all avatars of the Phoenix whatever their incarnation would be able to tap into this power.

1) I suggest you check on that.

2)What if's are not cannon nor acceptable as proof. It took way more to stop Onslaught then Dark Phoenix.

3) No she has to become White Crown form to use those powers, Dark Phoenix has never shown the ability to tap into White Crown Phoenix's powers.

Toad.

Originally posted by ThePittman
Na, because then you get into psychics 😉

Na, just a little more imagination😉

Originally posted by Starhawk
1) I suggest you check on that.

2)What if's are not cannon nor acceptable as proof. It took way more to stop Onslaught then Dark Phoenix.

3) No she has to become White Crown form to use those powers, Dark Phoenix has never shown the ability to tap into White Crown Phoenix's powers.

1)The stuff in Alaska was after OZT, and it was being hinted that Jean was naturally progressing to the same power levels as Phoenix, but was quickly forgotten after the psi-wave and not brought up again until revolution.
2) It took the combined powers of the xmen present to destroy Onslaught, after the avengers weakened him by running into his formless energy mass state, which he stated was his ultimate form. Most of the Xmen present had already gone up against dark phoenix and never once got close to defeating her, actually the only person who stopped dark phoenix was dark phoenix.
3)the Phoenix being the nexus to all psi energy was established well before the WC stuff, The Phoenix has different incarnations but each one draws it's power from the same source.. She doesn't even have to become white phoenix to do phoenix work, because it has been suggested that dark phoenix destroyed the d'bari star system performing phoenix work, not out of sheer hunger which i think would have been a metaphorical hunger for destruction anyway. WC is the the part of Phoenix that is neither good or evil and cannot be swayed or corrupted by human emotions making it a pure entity (white has been associated with purity for ages), that in my opinion is the only distinction between WCP and DP, the power fluctuates with what the Phoenix needs to do not what form it's in. Dark Phoenix is the part of Phoenix that is ready to burn away everything, why? because.

Each version of the Phoenix has a different level of power and what they can do.

It took pretty much all the heroes of earth to stop Onslaught, Dark Phoenix has been stopped by Xavier in a psi-battle, vaporized by a turret on the moon, stopped by the x-men when it was inhabiting Maddie Pryor, Xorneto gave it a stroke and killed it. LOL The teen titans and x-men stopped it. LOL etc etc.

I'm aware that each version of the Phoenix had different power levels I was addressing the fact that no matter the incarnation the power regardless of the level comes from the same source.
Xavier had Jeans (in those day Phoenix) help and he did not defeat the Phoenix he suppressed it. She activated the gun on the moon obviously making herself vulnerable because she was shrugging off any other energy based attacks on her before that and she plunged into the heart of a star with no ill effects save destroying the star and it's surrounding planets. As far as them stopping Maddie, I don't remember it that way, she killed herself too, and it was the Phoenix Force that ended the chaos that was Inferno. That wasn't dark phoenix Xorn killed it was a newly reborn Jean Grey who had to die anyway because she needed to incubate in the white hot room to wake up 150 years in the future, she told Wolverine on the asteroid that she didn't know how long the Phoenix would let her stay.
Anything regarding the teen titans is not cannon as you pointed out the same thing about what ifs.

Well I'm a bit biased, but starhawk does bring up some pretty good points so i'm gonna go with Onslaught! 😛

Which points were good again? I must have missed it. The strongest villain the X-men have ever faced would have to be the one they had no chance of beating or even stalemating. Onslaught for all his power was not only defeated but utterly destroyed never to be heard from again, until recently due to the machinations of Scarlet Witch. The X-men never even got close to besting the Dark Phoenix, she killed herself, so unless we're counting Jean Greys consciousness being the reason DP committed suicide then no X-man has ever beat DP. Highest feat for Onslaught was createing a sun, DP eats those.

It took pretty much all the heroes of earth to stop Onslaught, And all they managed to do was seperate his energy amoung all of them. Dark Phoenix has been stopped by Xavier in a psi-battle, vaporized by a turret on the moon, stopped by the x-men when it was inhabiting Maddie Pryor, Xorneto gave it a stroke and killed it. LOL The teen titans and x-men stopped it. LOL etc etc.

They seperated his energy and the X-men "killed" them by concentrating all their attacks on his energy mass that was still very much present after they ran into it. Xavier had Jeans (in those day Phoenix) help and he did not defeat the Phoenix he suppressed it. She activated the gun on the moon obviously making herself vulnerable because she was shrugging off any other energy based attacks on her before that and she plunged into the heart of a star with no ill effects save destroying the star and it's surrounding planets. As far as them stopping Maddie, I don't remember it that way, she killed herself too, and it was the Phoenix Force that ended the chaos that was Inferno. That wasn't dark phoenix Xorn killed it was a newly reborn Jean Grey who had to die anyway because she needed to incubate in the white hot room to wake up 150 years in the future, she told Wolverine on the asteroid that she didn't know how long the Phoenix would let her stay.
Anything regarding the teen titans is not cannon as you pointed out the same thing about what ifs.

With all the X-men, the Imperial Guard, a shi'ar warship and a Kree weapon, the only thing that stopped DP was the Kree weapon that she activated to kill herself, and then she didn't even die she was purified and went back to Jeans body in the cocoon.

I meant when Maddie first manifested the phoenix, not "Inferno" The Ultraverse WAS canon and they stopped her fairly easily. Now Xavier AND Magneto have stopped her before, Onslaught is them combined. Also with access to franklin and Nate Grey's powers he would stomp her easily. Nate Grey had the same power output and signature as Dark Phoenix.

Maddie never manifested any power until the demons of Limbo helped her unlocked her latent power. The part of the Phoenix that she did have was the part that Phoenix took from Jean along with it's memories as the first phoenix and Dp, to give her a lifeforce and an instant attraction to Scott, since Sinister had given up on her for displaying no powers. Magneto NEVER stopped her and Xavier locked her up with the help of Jean as soon as Scott was badly hurt Jean let go and the Xavier's circuit breakers were destroyed and that was like all in the same day. I find it funny when someone else mentioned a different version of Phoenix to illustrate her power, you were the one who said if we're going by villains than only Dark Phoenix counts. Nate Greys power levels were compared to the Phoenix by Moira when she tested him on Muir Island, when she tested Phoenix, she said that Jean was off the charts and she still had room to burn brighter, but Moira told her to power down that it was enough for now. Nate was compared to Phoenix because he too was off the charts, meaning there was no way to fully gauge either of their full powers so she compared Nate to the only other being she tested that was off the charts. Also when Moira told Jean to power down Jean/Phoenix said she could keep going, Moira made a mental note the her powers grew geometrically with each use, while everybody knew that Nate Grey had no room to grow and that his maximum output would have killed him and half the planet.

um dark pheniox would kill onslaught with, but a mere thought.......

Originally posted by LordKaos

The point is she has been beaten before with greater ease then Onslaught and I consider what Magneto and Xavier did, defeating her.

Also in the Ultraverse she was beaten by blasts from a starship.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Onslaught, he crushed the phoenix in his hand once. Onslaught at the height of his power could stand up to Dark Phoenix easily. And keep in mind if your going by villain then only "Dark" Phoenix counts.

And yes X3 did a horrible job where Dark Phoenix was concern.

This is funny,obviously you did not read the comic,but went off a scan that a phoenix hater used to put down the phoenix,just like your reference to the ultraverse..so disapointing

Dark phoenix would beat onslaught 10/10

I liked the Onslaught saga and think he's a cool villian,but hes nowhere near Dark Phoenix level

Originally posted by starlock
This is funny,obviously you did not read the comic,but went off a scan that a phoenix hater used to put down the phoenix,just like your reference to the ultraverse..so disapointing

Dark phoenix would beat onslaught 10/10

I liked the Onslaught saga and think he's a cool villian,but hes nowhere near Dark Phoenix level

Yes I have read every appearance of the Phoenix, be it normal, white crown or dark.

Onslaught at full power could take Dark Phoenix.

* please explain how...

Him crushing it in his hand wasn't enough for you?