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Metalmanx
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Debatable. It by such a small margin it have no effect in this battle.


No he would not. He bee fighting a highly trained super human as fast or almost as fast as he is. He has no idea were the attacks would come from nor would he have any way to defend agaist them. His spidersenses makes up for his lack of skill with out it he bee unable to react a person with vastly superior skills.



Again with this false remarks. His speed and reflexes are barly superior at best. Hell you been unable to even proof he superior let a lone far superior.


I have proven it. You just refuse to accept it because you feel that you are right. It's okay, I've come to terms with your inability to admit when you're wrong.

Obviously his spider-sense helps a lot, but Peter also just has superhuman reflexes that would enable him to avoid Wolverine and land numerous hits on him. With his healing factor cut down considerably, too, Wolverine would still go down.


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I have proven it. You just refuse to accept it because you feel that you are right. It's okay, I've come to terms with your inability to admit when you're wrong.

Obviously his spider-sense helps a lot, but Peter also just has superhuman reflexes that would enable him to avoid Wolverine and land numerous hits on him. With his healing factor cut down considerably, too, Wolverine would still go down.


Yup you've proven it.


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I have proven it. You just refuse to accept it because you feel that you are right. It's okay, I've come to terms with your inability to admit when you're wrong.

You have no proven shit. I have match every one of your feats every single time. You have yet to prove spiderman is superior through feats. You can think it all you want won’t make it true. Funny thing is you think spiderman far superior in speed and you can’t even proof he superior let a lone far.



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Obviously his spider-sense helps a lot, but Peter also just has superhuman reflexes that would enable him to avoid Wolverine and land numerous hits on him.

Ya because spiderman oh so good at hitting wolverine. Oh wait even when spiderman has spider sense he has a ahrd time hitting Logan unless Logan allows it.

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With his healing factor cut down considerably, too, Wolverine would still go down.


Again you assume spiderman who will have no way of knows how wolverine will attack him or any means of defense vs the superior fighter will land hits left and right with out taking any blows.

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But Cyclops beat up Wolverine in a fist fight.


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But Cyclops beat up Wolverine in a fist fight.

actaully he flipped logan over who had jsut been mind raped.





spiderman got his ass kicked by a cyber ninja you really wanna go there?

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actaully he flipped logan over who had jsut been mind raped.



He did that and more. Cyclops. It made me laugh at the time, i thought Wolverine, the best there is at getting flipped over by someone basically of normal human speed and strength.


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He did that and more. Cyclops. It made me laugh at the time, i thought Wolverine, the best there is at getting flipped over by someone basically of normal human speed and strength.



it called low end feats.



you know like spiderman a guy with superman reflexes agitying and strength getting pwned by a little cyber ninja.




also you forgott key points in the fight and back round detail as well as the time era the cyclopes event took place

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it called low end feats.



you know like spiderman a guy with superman reflexes agitying and strength getting pwned by a little cyber ninja.




also you forgott key points in the fight and back round detail as well as the time era the cyclopes event took place


Please i'm finding your posts so hard to understand shifty


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Please i'm finding your posts so hard to understand shifty


That the best you got? Leave unless your actaully going to debate me in which case I will have fun improving your knowledge on key events and characters in the marvel universe.

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That the best you got? Leave unless your actaully going to debate me in which case I will have fun improving your knowledge on key events and characters in the marvel universe.


wink Cool roll eyes (sarcastic) First though, let me help you improve the style of your posts. Grammar, construction and overall entertainment value.

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wink Cool roll eyes (sarcastic) First though, let me help you improve the style of your posts. Grammar, construction and overall entertainment value.

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so you can not debate me so you stoop to insults? Your worthless. Debate me on the thread topic or shut the **** up

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so you can not debate me so you stoop to insults? Your worthless. Debate me on the thread topic or shut the **** up



My worthless, oh you mean "you're worthless"? How can I debate with you when I can barely understand you. It's like you're six or a retard or something.

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My worthless, oh you mean "you're worthless"? How can I debate with you when I can barely understand you. It's like you're six or a retard or something.

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you had a hard time understand what your worthless ment due to the spelling of your confused yet I am the retarded one

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you had a hard time understand what your worthless ment due to the spelling of your confused yet I am the retarded one



Yes! I'm only joking . smile


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Without Spider sense, Spidey is pretty much going to get creamed here. I still say Batman and his gadgets would be the end of spidey. Spiderman of course, could rip his limbs off and beat him with his own limbs but, that is if he gets up to him to begin with. Smoke pellets to get cover and then explosives.


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I have proven it. You just refuse to accept it because you feel that you are right. It's okay, I've come to terms with your inability to admit when you're wrong.

Obviously his spider-sense helps a lot, but Peter also just has superhuman reflexes that would enable him to avoid Wolverine and land numerous hits on him. With his healing factor cut down considerably, too, Wolverine would still go down.


Whats up Metalmanx, long time no fuss. First I would like to say that wolverine is just as fast as spiderman. Second I would like to say that, I could have sworn when I look at wolverine fighting venom in comics he be running circles around venom but when spiderman fights venom (who spiderman spidersense dont even work against) spiderman get his a** handed to him. Wolverine stalemate venom, whereas spiderman get the f***** beaten out of him by venom. Do you get my point. I could have also sworn that a slow hulk grabbed spiderman by the head and almost killed him (with his spider sense on) and you think that wolverine cant tag him. Get off of spiderman nuts. Wolverine is fast enough to tag him with the spider sense on or off and he will tag him, get over it. Do me a favor, tell me somebody that spiderman has fought and didnt land a lick, please do. If anybody has any kind of decent fighting ability (which spiderman dont have) and they're quite tacticle, they could land numerous of blows on spiderman, including batman.


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Its all about leverage *using the webbing erm


If he can get them all stuck in a position where their strength means nothing (That scan of wolvie stuck in webbing with his hands pointed at his chest comes to mind) he should win against the healing factor twins.

Same can be said for Captain America, Batman, and Daredevil. They all know in martial arts that leverage is a key factor in any battle. If Spiderman uses his web advantage combined aerial maneuvers *considering the others suck compared to him in that area* I can see him winning.

Though I must admit taking the spider sense from him is a huge blow to him. I can see the others taking it just as much as I can see him taking it. I am a firm believer in Spiderman being >> all those mentioned so far, but without the huge tactical advantage that is the spider sense, it makes things far more complicated for my friendly neighborhood Spiderman


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Its all about leverage *using the webbing erm


If he can get them all stuck in a position where their strength means nothing (That scan of wolvie stuck in webbing with his hands pointed at his chest comes to mind) he should win against the healing factor twins.

Same can be said for Captain America, Batman, and Daredevil. They all know in martial arts that leverage is a key factor in any battle. If Spiderman uses his web advantage combined aerial maneuvers *considering the others suck compared to him in that area* I can see him winning.

Though I must admit taking the spider sense from him is a huge blow to him. I can see the others taking it just as much as I can see him taking it. I am a firm believer in Spiderman being >> all those mentioned so far, but without the huge tactical advantage that is the spider sense, it makes things far more complicated for my friendly neighborhood Spiderman


I think that its four people on that list that can beat spiderman with his spider sense, without it, it is a curb stomp. Spiderman CANT FIGHT, HE DEPENDS TO MUCH ON THAT SPIDER SENSE.


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Whats up Metalmanx, long time no fuss. First I would like to say that wolverine is just as fast as spiderman. Second I would like to say that, I could have sworn when I look at wolverine fighting venom in comics he be running circles around venom but when spiderman fights venom (who spiderman spidersense dont even work against) spiderman get his a** handed to him. Wolverine stalemate venom, whereas spiderman get the f***** beaten out of him by venom. Do you get my point. I could have also sworn that a slow hulk grabbed spiderman by the head and almost killed him (with his spider sense on) and you think that wolverine cant tag him. Get off of spiderman nuts. Wolverine is fast enough to tag him with the spider sense on or off and he will tag him, get over it. Do me a favor, tell me somebody that spiderman has fought and didnt land a lick, please do. If anybody has any kind of decent fighting ability (which spiderman dont have) and they're quite tacticle, they could land numerous of blows on spiderman, including batman.




I can do this, too.

First of all I would like to say that Spider-Man is faster than Wolverine. It's pretty much fact. To spend time trying to debate this any further than it's already gone would be futile. You're just going to deny it anyway and say that Wolverine can move that fast, when of course, he cannot. Second, yes, Venom gives Spider-Man trouble. Know why? He's a Spider-Man villian. He's faster than Spider-Man and negates his spider-sense. Of course, when fighting Wolverine, he uses about 1/3 of his powers against him. If you know anything about Venom, you would know that he could've wrecked Wolverine if he really wanted to. I also could've sworn that Hulk catches and thrashes Wolverine exponentially more often than against Spider-Man. Get off Wolverine's nuts. Wolverine will tag Spider-Man eventually, yes. But only about 1 hit per ~5 Spider-Man will be dishing out.

But here. You want one? Here's one:
A trained martial artist (with, apparently, some other enhancements) gets owned. Interesting because his nails (claws) and sharp points on his costume have a poison that can knock Spidey out, so SM can’t even get touched (obviously with the sharp points) during this fight or he loses.
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/385/18522nh.jpg

Another thing. Why do people just give Spider-Man nothing in the fighting skills department? One does not need formal training in order to have fighting skills. And good ones at that. He's developed his own, unique fighting style based around his powers. And yet people say he has no fighting skills. Ignorance.


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Its all about leverage *using the webbing erm


If he can get them all stuck in a position where their strength means nothing (That scan of wolvie stuck in webbing with his hands pointed at his chest comes to mind) he should win against the healing factor twins.

Same can be said for Captain America, Batman, and Daredevil. They all know in martial arts that leverage is a key factor in any battle. If Spiderman uses his web advantage combined aerial maneuvers *considering the others suck compared to him in that area* I can see him winning.

Though I must admit taking the spider sense from him is a huge blow to him. I can see the others taking it just as much as I can see him taking it. I am a firm believer in Spiderman being >> all those mentioned so far, but without the huge tactical advantage that is the spider sense, it makes things far more complicated for my friendly neighborhood Spiderman


Agreed.


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