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That is some serious PIS. Plus I don't know the circumstances behind those scans. I don't trust scans without knowing the whole story or having some knowlege of the events fresh in my mind.
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NO doom is just where I always thought he was. He still doesn't beat either of these two in my opinion. He doesn't have the power to dish out enough dmg to either. ANd considering both of them are remarkably faster than doom, I dont' see him laying a hand on either.
Oh, so laying out Surfer, Warlock, Magus, Kang, isn't enough power to damage Apoc?
Also... faster? Where in the hell did you get this shit? Doom can hit them just fine.
Especially Sinister...
Plus, Mags is there. Plus, both have near industructable shields (especially compared to these two).
Doom also has spells, and is the second best magic user on the planet.
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wnd best magic user on the planet? WTF. Yet he can't beat the FF and he hasn't managed to take over the world yet. OMG. That shit with him laying out surfer is PIS. Warlock PIS. magus. PIS. maybe kang. I'm sticking with my opinion. Doom cannot defeat Sinister or Apoc without prep. You can argue till your blue in the face. I guess doom will be the next KMC flash/superman/iceman/thanos/thor/odin over rated blah blah blah.
I am one of the few (or many) that believe Magneto>Apocalypse.
Sinister is a non factor to Magneto.
Dr. Doom vs. Mr. Sinister. Would be interesting, but Sinseter would have a hard time overcoming Dooms shields. Sinister TP is a non factor seeing how his suit protects him from such attacks. And Dr. Doom holds more versatility thanks to his magic, and the suits tech. So I also give Doom the majority over Sinister.
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Doom and Magneto have superior Shields. (Insane damage soak). That alone makes things hard on the opposing team.
Doom has probably beat the FF more times than Apoc beat the X-Men...
Also, I haven't seen Apoc do anything on Doom's level of plans...
What about Doom having Beyonder's powers, and Galactus's powers?
Doom also controls his own country.
You really have nothing, and yet, any feat is pis?
Yes, because we all know that a character fully capable of beating Apoc is overated...
Doom has had a better track record then all 4 villains mentioned.
Apo. Wanabe world ruler for I don’t know how long (with Celestails aid).
Magneto, at least he killed Apo in his AoA.
Doom, has stolen Glactus power, stolen Molecules Mans power. Insane prep time.
Sinister - makes Cable and X-man (both turned on him, hell X-Man beat him to death).
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sinister's track record is excellent. He gave himself powers, and managed to live far beyond that of a normal human's life span. He then managed to create one of the most powerful beings to ever walk the plaent. I think he did what he set out to do. I also remember miss pryor being uber too. didn't he have somethign to do with that?
Trust me when I say this nvr. Doom himself takes this fight in pretty much the same fashion he did in those scans. He beats the crap outta the other team, then turns on his own teammate. Or he turns on his teammate and beats the crap outta the other team. Doom stands alone in victory.
You need to tweak your perception of Doom. FF beats him, yes. Because they are the FF. Personally, it's not such a shame to be beaten by Reed (Galactus-pwning) Richards and company. Yes, you may be rooting for underrated characters and that's cool and all, but Doom is not overrated. If you wanted me to list what he could bring to a fight if he were suddenly transported and taken out of his element and has no prep, it'd take me a quite a while.
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I"m not buying it. Most any Top tier heroe or villian has been shown owning uber guys and teams before. I believe that doom without prep cannot defeat either of these guys. that is my opinion. I just don't see it. One would have to be insanely powerful to actually be able to seriously hurt apoc. Like on the lvl of nate. that is why sinister made him so powerful becuz he needed to be.
How about Doom traps him in the Crimson Bands of Cy?
Also, Doom was shown pawning just about every magic user that competed in a game.
Although Strange defeated twice as much, that is still VERY impressive.
So... Crimson Bands for the win.
This was back in the day(meaning he's better now).
Also, Apoc is no Strange, neither is Sinister, and both aren't magic users, so... they are f*cked. (please log in to view the image)
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