The Assassination of JFK Jr.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
does your video plainly state that......

- JFK jr. had one usable leg at the time of his flight

- air traffic was suggested to stay grounded

- the above due to horrible weather

- JFK wasn't flying one of the large crafts of the type that were grounded that night due to weather........he was instead flying a much smaller cesna propeller plane.....even though the jets had been delayed due to weather.....

gee......does you video state all that? If it does.......it must be full of morons who can't see why he crashed.

"we can't fly big jets because the weather is so bad.........but yeah, the weather is just fine for small little 4 seater propeller planes"........

seriously kid......this is just retarded. You want to talk about Cubans, CIA and mafia with his dad.........okay....fine. He was actually somebody with power and people do actually question the circumstances of his death. His son, however, was just a rich kid not unlike Paris Hilton who came from a famous family and had no power whatsoever........his death was not mysterious in the least. The arrogant prick thought that somehow he could fly his little 4 seat propeller plane through weather that commercial jets couldn't fly through.......he crashed, no mystery at all.

ps. your age comes into play because you read something on a website.....something you had no opinion on yourself because you weren't around......a subject that is far out there and ludicrous, then come here and post about it like you know something. It's like these 15 year old kids who claim Michael Jordan was merely "okay" at basketball.........clearly that would be a retarded assertion to make....yet they do because they weren't around to watch the man play themselves and read on some Cavalier fan website that Lebron James is better. The day I start doing the same......making wild assertions about things I have no first hand knowledge about or is not historical fact that happened before my time, feel free to do the same with me.

Explain why Col. Roark was saying outrageous lies which even the news media didn't believe.

He contacted the tower -- reported by Todd Burgen and the time he says is the exact same time the NTSB report says. Col. Roark says he definately didn't.

There was a flight instructor on the plane, he even said it to his friend he was having dinner with the same day. THen the reporters said "The Family" said there was no flight instructor, based on...nothing? After all, no one knows if there was, but lets summarise here:

1. John ALWAYS flew with an instructor.
2. John had flown to Martha's Vinyard 8 times that summer before, each time with a flight instructor, and visibility was so poor, it would'ver been illegal for him not to fly with one.
3. Speaking about it being illegal, John NEVER broke the rules, and all the flight instructors who flew with him confirm that and say he's very methodical when flying -- Not very accident-prone if you ask me, especially in a plane with advanced safety features.
4. John didn't know that much about his new plane
5. John told one of his friends, Richard Blow, he was flying with an instructor.
6. They waited for 40 minutes at the airport, either, they were waiting for the instructor, or they were waiting for nothing.
7. John could effortlessly gotten a flight instructor, yet he chooses not to?
8. John was on crutches. It would've been inconvenient to not fly with one, and millionaires like John, always buy convienience.
9. He was working on an instrument rating.
10. His wife wouldn't let him fly without an instructor. I mean the guy broke his foot from crashing his miniplane, do you think his wife would let him arrogantly fly a new plane through poor weather? No way. No married woman would be that callous.

Why was the fuel selector valve on the plane in the OFF position? Now looking at the NTSB report of the plane's journey, it shows that the plane ended in a catostrophic dive. When the plane was recovered, there were no signs of engine failure whatsoever, so it must have been a suicide. On Egypt Air 990, 100 days after John's death and 50 miles away, another pilot plunged the controls vioplently foreword and shut off the valve, he shut off the valve so there was no way to bring the plane up. Now, it's likely that that's what happened on John's flight.

All this suggests foul play, yes?

Originally posted by Evil Dead
you've got to be f-cking kidding me. Some kid who was 7 years old at the time of JFK Jrs death.......therefore knows nothing of his life.......living in a different country on a different continent is going to tell people about a man that we American adults actually saw the news on when the man was still alive. nice try chap.

JFK Jr. was famous for one reason and one reason only, he was JFK's son. The man never did anything with his life but jump around from bed to bed with women because he was rich/famous and could. His professional life pretty much consisted of George magazine which failed miserably and was in the red from the day he started it until his death.

The man was getting along in age.......got married. He still had that no fear, I'm rich and indestructable attitude of a frat guy. I believe it was Bill Maher who summed up his attitude best when he died......

Hey......It's late, I've got one usable leg, planes have been told to delay their flights due to this horrible weather........so I'll fly my little prop plane over open water straight through it because I'm a Kennedy......what could possibly happen?

thats just it though,the weather was NOT horrible like they tried to make us believe at the time he flew.It was actually a perfect beautiful day that time as I said earlier.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Okay, then explain why there was a 15 and a half hour delay of search, even though there were about 5 calls to start a search, and 2 alarms to start a search.

Explain why Col. Roark was saying outrageous lies which even the news media didn't believe.

He contacted the tower -- reported by Todd Burgen and the time he says is the exact same time the NTSB report says. Col. Roark says he definately didn't.

There was a flight instructor on the plane, he even said it to his friend he was having dinner with the same day. THen the reporters said "The Family" said there was no flight instructor, based on...nothing? After all, no one knows if there was, but lets summarise here:

1. John ALWAYS flew with an instructor.
2. John had flown to Martha's Vinyard 8 times that summer before, each time with a flight instructor, and visibility was so poor, it would'ver been illegal for him not to fly with one.
3. Speaking about it being illegal, John NEVER broke the rules, and all the flight instructors who flew with him confirm that and say he's very methodical when flying -- Not very accident-prone if you ask me, especially in a plane with advanced safety features.
4. John didn't know that much about his new plane
5. John told one of his friends, Richard Blow, he was flying with an instructor.
6. They waited for 40 minutes at the airport, either, they were waiting for the instructor, or they were waiting for nothing.
7. John could effortlessly gotten a flight instructor, yet he chooses not to?
8. John was on crutches. It would've been inconvenient to not fly with one, and millionaires like John, always buy convienience.
9. He was working on an instrument rating.
10. His wife wouldn't let him fly without an instructor. I mean the guy broke his foot from crashing his miniplane, do you think his wife would let him arrogantly fly a new plane through poor weather? No way. No married woman would be that callous.

Why was the fuel selector valve on the plane in the OFF position? Now looking at the NTSB report of the plane's journey, it shows that the plane ended in a catostrophic dive. When the plane was recovered, there were no signs of engine failure whatsoever, so it must have been a suicide. On Egypt Air 990, 100 days after John's death and 50 miles away, another pilot plunged the controls vioplently foreword and shut off the valve, he shut off the valve so there was no way to bring the plane up. Now, it's likely that that's what happened on John's flight.

All this suggests foul play, yes?

its a miracle.you actually made some good well thought out points for once in your life. 😆

Originally posted by Mr Parker
its a miracle.you actually made some good well thought out points for once in your life. 😆

I didn't read your last post because I know you didn't admit that its the truth but I will read your next post because I got a question for you.Other than when I used to discuss with you about Bill Clinton,you USED to have logic and common sense about 9-11.That Bush is evil and corrupted and wanted it to happen and that the governments version of 9-11 was a fairy tale.You USED to have logic and common sense when you would post about 9-11.It was just Bill Clinton you were always ignorant about.

But NOW lately,you have become like the majority of these dorks in the conspiracy section and one of the sheep like them by tooting the governments horn.Accepting their fairy tale version that it was Osama Bin Laden and Muslims behind it all and accepting the governments ludicrous and absurd theory that a jet caused the towers to collapse and crap like that.what happened to you?

Like I said before,you USED to have logic and common sense and didn't believe crap like that from the government about 9-11.It was just Clinton you were ignorant about.Why are you now being ignorant on BOTH Clinton AND 9-11 like all these other morons here in the conspiracy section who believe that fairy tale version of the governments?

Your 9-11 comments lately have become as retarded as Evil Deads Posts here on your JFK junior thread are where they USED to be intelligent because you used to listen to all the good points Deano used to make about it where now you dont.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
I didn't read your last post because I know you didn't admit that its the truth but I will read your next post because I got a question for you.Other than when I used to discuss with you about Bill Clinton,you USED to have logic and common sense about 9-11.That Bush is evil and corrupted and wanted it to happen and that the governments version of 9-11 was a fairy tale.You USED to have logic and common sense when you would post about 9-11.It was just Bill Clinton you were always ignorant about.

But NOW lately,you have become like the majority of these dorks in the conspiracy section and one of the sheep like them by tooting the governments horn.Accepting their fairy tale version that it was Osama Bin Laden and Muslims behind it all and accepting the governments ludicrous and absurd theory that a jet caused the towers to collapse and crap like that.what happened to you?

Like I said before,you USED to have logic and common sense and didn't believe crap like that from the government about 9-11.It was just Clinton you were ignorant about.Why are you now being ignorant on BOTH Clinton AND 9-11 like all these other morons here in the conspiracy section who believe that fairy tale version of the governments?

Your 9-11 comments lately have become as retarded as Evil Deads Posts here on your JFK junior thread are where they USED to be intelligent because you used to listen to all the good points Deano used to make about it where now you dont.

I DO BELIEVE 9/11 is an inside job. I just don't believe they were fake attacks. Don't you find it stupid that they make ridiculous attacks so anyone could find it out? No, not after what happened at JFK. And once more, Kharma is open to the idea that 9/11 is an inside job. He just doesn't believe you, Deano or NW because you're all nuts. Sorry for sounding harsh there, but it's true. You're irrational, biased and immature. That's also why I don't take you seeriously.

Oh and now something for you to prove I think it was an inside job.

George W. Bush put Henry Kissinger incharge of 9/11. When people were investigating his financial benefiets of 9/11, he was quickly removed. This is similar to how Allen Dullas, a CIA agent who was fired from Kennedy, was incharge of the Warren Commission. Amazing huh.

Originally posted by lord xyz
yeah, I learned the truth about Conspiracy theorist. You're all a bunch of insecure whiners who like to bad mouth the government. I did think it wasn't Osama Bin Laden, but looking at the facts, it was! But that doesn't mean it wasn't an inside job. I learnt some stuff about demolitions and saw the WTC couldn't have been demolished. Now, I'm not saying the offical report is true, but it's more likely than any other explanation so far. I mean, the JFK assassination official story is also plausible in some places, but I still believe that's a conspiracy. You see, you don't have to believe every conspiracy tale. Most of them are ****ing stupid.

I DO BELIEVE 9/11 is an inside job. I just don't believe they were fake attacks. Don't you find it stupid that they make ridiculous attacks so anyone could find it out? No, not after what happened at JFK. And once more, Kharma is open to the idea that 9/11 is an inside job. He just doesn't believe you, Deano or NW because you're all nuts. Sorry for sounding harsh there, but it's true. You're irrational, biased and immature. That's also why I don't take you seeriously.

Oh and now something for you to prove I think it was an inside job.

George W. Bush put Henry Kissinger incharge of 9/11. When people were investigating his financial benefiets of 9/11, he was quickly removed. This is similar to how Allen Dullas, a CIA agent who was fired from Kennedy, was incharge of the Warren Commission. Amazing huh.

Err no you dont have a clue what your talking about in your first sentence there.For one,I USED to always believe the official fairy tale version of the governments that oswald was the lone assassin of JFK until the movie came out.That movie opened my eyes and made me realise what a corrupt and evil government this government is.I got so interested in it I read dozens and dozens of books on it from both sides and after doing so,was able to determine that Stones film was what a lot of researchers who have investigated the case over the years before the movie came out have said,that his movie is 95% accurate down to the wire.

see your not making any sense here.they couldn't have been real attacks if it was an inside job and thats just it,I dont think anybody here has said that Osama Bin Laden wasnt involved,they are just maintaining that the CIA made sure he was able to carry it out and worked in cooperation with him to make sure he was able to. 🙄 That being the case,Osama Bin Laden isnt the real enemy here,People such as Bush,Cheney,Rice and Rumfield and many others in high government postions of power are.Err no Kharma isnt open to the idea that 9-11 was an inside job.He goes and insults anybody on here who doesnt agree with him even when they have proved what they have said is indeed true.He's just on here to try and pick fights with people,your just too blind to see that.

If you believe that fairy tale version that jet and jet fuel caused the towers to collapse,your just listening to the governments side.Anybody with common sense would know that the independent experts are right,that towers dont just collapse in a freefall manner in seconds like those towers did the same way buildings do when explosives are used. 🙄 investigaters have pointed out from pics,that those are indeed the signs of explosives being set off in the buildings.

These independent experts that have the courage to speak out about that,are all losing their jobs as well from doing so cause the government wants to shut them up about the truth.if you think Kharma Dog is rational,unbiased and mature,then you have no crediblity. 😆 I know many people here at this site who dont listen to anything he says either because of how he insults people constantly if they dont agree with him on anything.

Thats why unlike Kharma Dog, I WILL occassionally take you off my ignore list and listen to you because unlike Kharma Dog,you occassionaly make good points like the last paragraph.Its just when you go and start believeing stupid $hit like explosives were not used in the buildings and insult people when they have proved you wrong is when I have to put you on my ignore list again because anybody who has investigated this knows beyond a doubt explosives were used.

By the way,I dont believe every conspiracy tale.for instance I have read stuff out there that the government was behind the assassination of John Lennon.Do I believe it? No because unlike 9-11 or the kennedy assassination,I have yet to see any evidence to convince me otherwise than that it was indeed a crazed assassin that killed him. 😛

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Err no you dont have a clue what your talking about in your first sentence there.For one,I USED to always believe the official fairy tale version of the governments that oswald was the lone assassin of JFK until the movie came out.That movie opened my eyes and made me realise what a corrupt and evil government this government is.I got so interested in it I read dozens and dozens of books on it from both sides and after doing so,was able to determine that Stones film was what a lot of researchers who have investigated the case over the years before the movie came out have said,that his movie is 95% accurate down to the wire.

see your not making any sense here.they couldn't have been real attacks if it was an inside job and thats just it,I dont think anybody here has said that Osama Bin Laden wasnt involved,they are just maintaining that the CIA made sure he was able to carry it out and worked in cooperation with him to make sure he was able to. 🙄 That being the case,Osama Bin Laden isnt the real enemy here,People such as Bush,Cheney,Rice and Rumfield and many others in high government postions of power are.Err no Kharma isnt open to the idea that 9-11 was an inside job.He goes and insults anybody on here who doesnt agree with him even when they have proved what they have said is indeed true.He's just on here to try and pick fights with people,your just too blind to see that.

If you believe that fairy tale version that jet and jet fuel caused the towers to collapse,your just listening to the governments side.Anybody with common sense would know that the independent experts are right,that towers dont just collapse in a freefall manner in seconds like those towers did the same way buildings do when explosives are used. 🙄 investigaters have pointed out from pics,that those are indeed the signs of explosives being set off in the buildings.

These independent experts that have the courage to speak out about that,are all losing their jobs as well from doing so cause the government wants to shut them up about the truth.if you think Kharma Dog is rational,unbiased and mature,then you have no crediblity. 😆 I know many people here at this site who dont listen to anything he says either because of how he insults people constantly if they dont agree with him on anything.

Thats why unlike Kharma Dog, I WILL occassionally take you off my ignore list and listen to you because unlike Kharma Dog,you occassionaly make good points like the last paragraph.Its just when you go and start believeing stupid $hit like explosives were not used in the buildings and insult people when they have proved you wrong is when I have to put you on my ignore list again because anybody who has investigated this knows beyond a doubt explosives were used.

By the way,I dont believe every conspiracy tale.for instance I have read stuff out there that the government was behind the assassination of John Lennon.Do I believe it? No because unlike 9-11 or the kennedy assassination,I have yet to see any evidence to convince me otherwise than that it was indeed a crazed assassin that killed him. 😛

For most of your post I agree, but saying the WTC is a controlled demolition? Do you ignore everything? (Don't take that last question literally, really, DON'T!) You say no other building collapses like that, can you find me a building built the same as the WTC hit by an almost duplicate plane at the same angle, height and speed, and then NOT fall down in the same manner? If you could, I will openly admit, that the official story of the plane bringing down the tower is wrong.

Controlled demolition: http://youtube.com/watch?v=o1Vu15D_0oI
Notice the bangs, squibs and destroyed structure, nothing like the twin towers. The twin towers didn't break apart, it had no squibs before falling, instead it had parts falling out etc. CD don't explode, they implode, BIG DIFFERENCE.

Stop saying the WTC was brought down by planted explosives, you couldn't be more wrong, and it's getting annoying having to repeat myself for an immature ass who only listens to those who say the government are wrong corrupt and gay.

As for what you're saying about Kharma, you really don't know him, do you?

And John Lennon may have been assassinated by the CIA, you don't know.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Err no Kharma isnt open to the idea that 9-11 was an inside job.He goes and insults anybody on here who doesnt agree with him even when they have proved what they have said is indeed true.

You do not know what I believe, however, it's terribly interesting that ,whether in pm's or on this forum, you have no problem telling others what I believe. After repeated requests for you to post what you think I believe and reference those posts, you have failed to do so. This is because you are full of sh*t.

As for people proving what they have posted as true, please give me examples.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
if you think Kharma Dog is rational,unbiased and mature,then you have no crediblity.

Excellent argument. Logic like that is why we laugh at you.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
I know many people here at this site who dont listen to anything he says either because of how he insults people constantly if they dont agree with him on anything.

Don't be silly. No, I insult you because you are stupid. Also because your hard-on for talking about me makes me uncomfortable and if I did talk nicely about you I might give you the wrong idea. As you are full of wrong ideas, my trepidation is valid.

Originally posted by lord xyz
As for what you're saying about Kharma, you really don't know him, do you?

No he doesn't. But he needs a boogey man to validate his own insane beliefs.

Originally posted by lord xyz
It's possible, but he's not a conservative ****. Some reasons why:

1. His father was assassinated
2. He was not a "W"
3. He cared for the poor -- just like all the other Kennedy's.
4. He was careful and responcible.
5. His moma was no fool. She didn't believe the official story of JFK and neither did JFK Jr.

I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than driving with Ted Kennedy.

Edit: The rest wasn't quite necessary.

Originally posted by lord xyz
yeah, I learned the truth about Conspiracy theorist. You're all a bunch of insecure whiners who like to bad mouth the government. I did think it wasn't Osama Bin Laden, but looking at the facts, it was! But that doesn't mean it wasn't an inside job. I learnt some stuff about demolitions and saw the WTC couldn't have been demolished. Now, I'm not saying the offical report is true, but it's more likely than any other explanation so far. I mean, the JFK assassination official story is also plausible in some places, but I still believe that's a conspiracy. You see, you don't have to believe every conspiracy tale. Most of them are ****ing stupid.

I DO BELIEVE 9/11 is an inside job. I just don't believe they were fake attacks. Don't you find it stupid that they make ridiculous attacks so anyone could find it out? No, not after what happened at JFK. And once more, Kharma is open to the idea that 9/11 is an inside job. He just doesn't believe you, Deano or NW because you're all nuts. Sorry for sounding harsh there, but it's true. You're irrational, biased and immature. That's also why I don't take you seeriously.

Oh and now something for you to prove I think it was an inside job.

George W. Bush put Henry Kissinger incharge of 9/11. When people were investigating his financial benefiets of 9/11, he was quickly removed. This is similar to how Allen Dullas, a CIA agent who was fired from Kennedy, was incharge of the Warren Commission. Amazing huh.

its true to you. learn to know the differance.

Originally posted by Deano
its true to you. learn to know the differance.

Originally posted by J-Beowulf
I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than driving with Ted Kennedy.

Edit: The rest wasn't quite necessary.

Originally posted by lord xyz
The Kennedy's aren't dumb rich guys, they're the good guys who get killed by the bad guys as Oliver Stones said in George Magazine.

Adulterous, drunken, women raping, killing good guys? You do know how the Kennedy's acquired the family fortune do you not?

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Adulterous, drunken, women raping, killing good guys? You do know how the Kennedy's acquired the family fortune do you not?

Hey, kharma dog, Have you a problem or something? Just relax, boy. Nobody is insulting you, so , dont insult anybody. Your actitude is just childish. Couldnt you post your arguments without insults and personal offenses?

Originally posted by bakerboy
Hey, kharma dog, Have you a problem or something? Just relax, boy. Nobody is insulting you, so , dont insult anybody. Your actitude is just childish. Couldnt you post your arguments without insults and personal offenses?

He insulted mr parker several times calling him stupid or things like that. Read his last posts.

Originally posted by bakerboy
He insulted mr parker several times calling him stupid or things like that. Read his last posts.

Originally posted by lord xyz
You believe in lizard people, nuff said.

You're comment shows how you don't understand anything about the world. The Kennedy's aren't dumb rich guys, they're the good guys who get killed by the bad guys as Oliver Stones said in George Magazine.

I don't understand anything about the world because of my little quip there? Right-o, think what you will, but just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't know as much as you. And besides, aren't liberals supposed to be accepting, kind people? Then why do they always criticize me so much when I dare to disagree with them? I wish you liberals would show as much respect to those who disagree with you as you do to other people.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Mr. Parker is stupid though. Besides, Parker deserves it.

Yeah, Parker is definitely who deserves most of the criticism he receives. He simply rides on the coat-tails of others who actually research (Deano, for example) and just agrees with them over and over. Either that or he simply claims your ignorant. Don't think I've ever seen him actually argue something on his own.