Andrew Bynum vs Greg Oden

Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
I have plenty of knowledge of the game, do you? I'm a season ticket holder of the Lakers. Andrew Bynum has no sort of talent except not listening to a legend.

What does being a season ticket holder have to do with evaluating talent? There is a reason that the Lakers didnt include Bynum in the Kidd trade and basically labeled him "untouchable", he is what you call raw potential and contrary to what you believe he listens to Kareem just fine. Kareem does nothing but sing his praises when asked about Bynum's willingness to learn and work ethic.
He has already shown that he can play in this league and i dont believe for one minute that he is going to regress over the years. Remember in 2 years time he will be only 21 and physically mature, thats when you can see if he will be strong enough to manhandle his opponents. Right now he is getting by on his tools and Kareem and Phils knowledge, he has shown me enough in his short career to at least buy him some time while he matures into a man.

Bynum has the potential to be pretty damn good, but so does Oden, we'll see in a year or two. Matters what Oden decides to do.

Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
Bynuim is not a talent whatsoever. Oden should stay in school. All Oden can do dunk. Neither has any skills. If Bynum has talent then why hasn't he learned anything? What constitutes talent? Certainly not dunking the ball on every possession. Thats all Oden can do, He should stay in school and learn more than just dunking.

Bynum started getting decent minutes this year. He does pretty good for a 19 year old. The guy has a good work ethic and a mean streak. He demands the ball down low when he gets the chance. You can say that he's no talent when he's in his mid 20s and hasnt learned anything. But with the way things are going, he's progressing really nice. As for Oden, he's just raw power. That can take you somewhere in the league. Look at Shaq. Look at Howard, who's pretty raw as well and he gets 20 and 20 every now and then. Only dunking huh, Oden can also spin in either direction and put the ball in with a mini hook. I think someone else here already stated that though. Seriously, you dont know how to judge big men with talent. You're already complaining about Bynum when this his is first year getting some good minutes do to overall injuries in the team.

Hes got everything, size, speed, skills, and not to mention heart for the game, thats a big one, because there are so many that just play for money.

Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove
Please become Lakers GM. I would love to take Bynum off your hands and let him play for the Kings. 😄

Ever hear the words shot blocking? I've heard Mr. Oden is pretty good at it.

Bynum is a bad shot blocker also. Oden must learn more offensive moves.

Originally posted by koolruningz
What does being a season ticket holder have to do with evaluating talent? There is a reason that the Lakers didnt include Bynum in the Kidd trade and basically labeled him "untouchable", he is what you call raw potential and contrary to what you believe he listens to Kareem just fine. Kareem does nothing but sing his praises when asked about Bynum's willingness to learn and work ethic.
He has already shown that he can play in this league and i dont believe for one minute that he is going to regress over the years. Remember in 2 years time he will be only 21 and physically mature, thats when you can see if he will be strong enough to manhandle his opponents. Right now he is getting by on his tools and Kareem and Phils knowledge, he has shown me enough in his short career to at least buy him some time while he matures into a man.

What raw material? Bynum has no skills. Whatever he has learned from Kareem, it has not transferred onto the court. Teams must win now, not years later. The Detroit Pistons have played very well, ever since Webber joined. Look at The Heat and how they seem to be winning. While the Lakers continue their downward spiral into illusions and delusions of grandeur.

They both have a problem getting in mad foul trouble early but we have to look at it like this. Oden has not played a single NBA game yet and he is looking OK in the collegiate level, definitely overrated. Future blah blah blah play a NBA game first then we can talk. I have a problem with the fact that he was labeled the next great big man when he was a junior in high school...please.

Bynum on the other hand has played a couple of NBA seasons and they are basically the same age. I think with the right mentality and the proper PT, he could be a pretty damn good center. He has shown signs of light at the end of the tunnel versus NBA talent and 7 footers. Unlike Oden who did OK in his first year in college against prospects and 6'9 centers.

True, Oden hasn't played against any real challenges yet. If he stays in school he'll be alot better than he would if he came out now. Imagine his power along with a more polished game.... SCARY!!

As for Bynum, I think he's pregressing fine. I think in 2 years he and Yao will be the centers in the Western Conference and the 2 perrenil All-Star Centers(Considering Tim Duncan is really a pwer forward).

Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
What raw material? Bynum has no skills. Whatever he has learned from Kareem, it has not transferred onto the court. Teams must win now, not years later. The Detroit Pistons have played very well, ever since Webber joined. Look at The Heat and how they seem to be winning. While the Lakers continue their downward spiral into illusions and delusions of grandeur.

Why would you compare Webber and Shaq to Bynum and Oden. Of course those two got talent as well, but they also got a world of experience under their belts. Like I said, give Bynum and Oden time to progress in their skills. If they dont improve too much by their mid 20's then you can say they have no talent. And why are you comparing Pistons' success to Lakers' recent downfall? They have a better roster and they play in the weaker conference. All they have to worry about is a healthy Heat.

Originally posted by teampac08
Why would you compare Webber and Shaq to Bynum and Oden. Of course those two got talent as well, but they also got a world of experience under their belts. Like I said, give Bynum and Oden time to progress in their skills. If they dont improve too much by their mid 20's then you can say they have no talent. And why are you comparing Pistons' success to Lakers' recent downfall? They have a better roster and they play in the weaker conference. All they have to worry about is a healthy Heat.

Its easy to compare. Teams want to win right now. Waiting for talent to come may never even happen with Mr. Bynum. He has yet to learn anything from Kareem Abdul-Jabber, yet alone use what has has been taught.. Also as I said, look at Detroit, they want to win now, not later. Keeping Mr. Bynum is a grand mistake.

Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
Its easy to compare. Teams want to win right now. Waiting for talent to come may never even happen with Mr. Bynum. He has yet to learn anything from Kareem Abdul-Jabber, yet alone use what has has been taught.. Also as I said, look at Detroit, they want to win now, not later. Keeping Mr. Bynum is a grand mistake.

We're talking about talent not about team's success right now. Look at the Nuggets, Iverson has lots of talent but he's not making that team too great. In fact they were a pretty good team without him before Anthony's suspension. Bynum has a mini hook shot that Jabbar taught him. Bynum has talent, plain and simple. Will he reach his fullest potential is a question. You keep saying he has none whatsoever which makes your knowledge of the game questionable. Besides, Webber doesnt make the Pistons much better than they already are. With or without him, theyre still one of the best teams from the East. Yeah, I'm glad you have no control over Laker management. You wouldve probably done the mistake of trading Bynum for Kidd, who's too expensive, too old, and still wouldnt bring us a championship due to the tougher teams in the west.

Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
What raw material? Bynum has no skills. Whatever he has learned from Kareem, it has not transferred onto the court. Teams must win now, not years later. The Detroit Pistons have played very well, ever since Webber joined. Look at The Heat and how they seem to be winning. While the Lakers continue their downward spiral into illusions and delusions of grandeur.

If Bynum can average 8pts, 6 boards and 1.6 swats a game while shooting 55% in 20mins a game (in his 2nd yr no less) with "no skills", i think i'll take a chance on him and hope he can double those stats as he gets more experience. Thats not much of a stretch when you consider the limited amount of hoops he has played. I personally think he has alot of skills so i would think those stats would go even higher as he gets stronger and more experienced. I see no reason not to believe he could be averaging 15/18pts, 10/12 boards and 3 blocks a game by the time he is 21 if he keeps improving at the rate he is. Through in a couple of assists as well because he is great at hitting cutters and once he starts drawing double teams he will find the open man.
You say he hasnt learnt anything from Kareem but even as early as last season (his rookie yr) he used a move that Kareem taught him on Shaq where he faked to the middle, spun baseline and dunked. Im sure you saw that one being a season ticket holder and all, so im curious as to where you get this idea that he is incapable of learning anything from Cap.
"Teams must win now"? You sound like a kid who cant wait for Christmas morning. The Lakers are trying to rebuild after the Shaq trade and are doing a decent job. They also have to have an eye on the future because believe it or not there is life after Kobe, Bynum is just too much potential to get rid of for a player who may or may not take us back to the finals. The Lakers dont want to make a mistake like the Blazers did with Jermain O'Neal and trade him away before he has time to develop. Finally the Lakers cant just unload Bynum for [insert all stars name here] because he is only on a rookie contract, if you can find me a player that will guarantee us multiple championships who is still on a rookie contract then i'll pack Bynum's bags myself (bare in mind you have to convince the other GM's to part with their franchise player to). If you cant do that then how can you complain that the Lakers are taking a chance on what could be a very solid center on both ends of the floor given some time?

No Greg Oden is better bcuz i think in a one on one match Oden would dominate he is bigger stronger faster and BETTER tha Bynum

Once again Mr. Bynum has shown me nothing whatsoever. He keeps getting into foul trouble in every game. He is not improving at all. Why is a legend in Kareem Abdul-Jabber teaching him when Mr. Bynum is learning absolutely nothing at all.

Why would Kareem teach him if he was learning nothing? He wouldn't. Kareem believes Bynum is learning from him and I believe Kareem's opinion over yours.

Kareem wouldn't teach somebody with no potential.

Originally posted by Myth
Why would Kareem teach him if he was learning nothing? He wouldn't. Kareem believes Bynum is learning from him and I believe Kareem's opinion over yours.

Its true that Kareem is teaching Mr. Bynum, but I ask all of you, What exactly is he learning? I will tell you---Absolutely nothing.

Quite alot actually.

Originally posted by B-Ball Star#3
No Greg Oden is better bcuz i think in a one on one match Oden would dominate he is bigger stronger faster and BETTER tha Bynum

Stop mentioning 1 on 1. It means just as much as how much hair the player has.

Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
Its true that Kareem is teaching Mr. Bynum, but I ask all of you, What exactly is he learning? I will tell you---Absolutely nothing.

Kareem's already stated that he's improving. Have you not seen the little hook shot that Bynum's been pulling off every now and then? You're expecting Bynum to learn everything so quickly. Like I said give him more time, this is his first year with decent minutes.