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So where the Brothers really supreme?
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Astner
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Originally posted by Mr Master
And I see this,

the Being that truly encompasses Everything!

According to Marvel Canonicity.




"This Being was the only Living Thing that Existed within Any and ALL Realities"
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"ALL That Was and ALL that Was Was it"


Then Thanos says, "I wouldn't blame you for calling it "GOD" ...

What other name would fit?"

(which makes sense)





"ALL That Was Was already Part of Itself ... there was NO Other in it's Life"
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"It chose to put an End to itself ...

from it's Ashes rose ALL That is currently Reality ... in ALL it's many forms"







Diana of the Dark Shoppe (in another Universe) basically tells the same tale:

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ALL Official and Canon.

Again, none of those beings are omnisceint, it's Thanos and Diana talking.
In the scan I posted it was the wrtiers themselves, theyw ere giving the backround story.

Besides the essence of the Infinity being, God or whatever you call him, the gems, when brought together they unlock his potential, his power in the form of Nemessis.
Nemessis = Infinity Being --In terms of power.

And Nemsessis is not as powerful as the Living Tribunal.

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Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
And in the last scan there you can even see that Access are giving the Living Tribunal and the Spectre more powers.
In other words he empowers them with all the energies in the universe.


No he doesn't.

Access had a fraction of the Brothers power, nothing more.

Access used this Fraction to Help LT and Spectre release the Brothers safely.


Otherwise the Brothers would been Obliterated.


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Originally posted by Galan007
But if it just turns into another discussion regarding the Brothers, (which is innevitable when people are debating a subject), then it's really no different then your first Brothers related thread. erm
I pretty much called this one. smile


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Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Again, none of those beings are omnisceint, it's Thanos and Diana talking.
In the scan I posted it was the wrtiers themselves, theyw ere giving the backround story.

Besides the essence of the Infinity being, God or whatever you call him, the gems, when brought together they unlock his potential, his power in the form of Nemessis.
Nemessis = Infinity Being --In terms of power.

And Nemsessis is not as powerful as the Living Tribunal.


As you wish T. smile


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Originally posted by Mr Master
T, you can't debate something you don't read.


The Brothers did NOT release themselves.

The Brothers did NOT "de-fuse" or "de-emerge" or anything of the like.


Spectre, the Living Tribunal and Acces together released the Brothers safely.

This is right before the LT & Spectre release the Brothers:

"We're using it to Restore the Universes"

After the separation exactly One split down the middle of Two Realities.

Immediately afterwards:


"We're back to the Universes co-existing"





Had Access not helped, the Brothers would have been Obliterated:

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"When it looked like the Universes would be Obliterated,

then the BUM helped me Jump someplace IN-BETWEEN"

"Someplace where NO Aspect of the Brothers existed"


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Access said, when it looked like the Universes (Brothers) were going to be destroyed,

the BUM helped him jump somewhere in-between.


NOW, when did it looked like the Universes would be Obliterated?

At the same time that the, "BUM" help him jump In-between?


And there is the "BUM", helping Access Jump someplace IN-BETWEEN,

when the Universes were about to be Obliterated.


When did this happen?

When the Brothers were MERGED by LT & Spectre, it's all clear On Panel. smile

Wait so now you're saying that it was all the Living Tribunal and the Spectre's idea.
So basicly the Brothers werent struggeling, only the Spectre and the Living Tribunal, they struggeled so they could restore the universes.

And if Access didn't help them the universes (not the Brothers themselves) would be destroyed.

How?

Because the Brothers already ended and recreated creation while they battled.

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And here they do it on panel, they destroy the universes, the same universes which Access said would be obliterated.

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The Brothers survived that, but the universes didn't.

You just destroyed your theory.

You said the Brothers where struggeling to break free.
But they desired to be whole and unique.

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So by merging or be merged they became complete.
Now The Living Tribunal and the Spectre wanted to restore the universes. Thus it was not the Brothers idea to break free. It was the Spectre's and the Living Tribunal's idea.

And it would not be the Brothers that would be obliterated but the universes, which obliteration the Brothers caused and surived.

That also explains why the Spectre and Living Tribunal couldent affect the Brothers in their battle.
Because they were nothing compared to them.

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And this scan is for you.

*snip*


That just proves my point. If they were truly supreme (as in omnipotent), they not only could have resolved all of these problems in literally no time at all, but the problems would never have even happened in the first place if they didn't want them to.


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Originally posted by Mr Master
No he doesn't.

Access had a fraction of the Brothers power, nothing more.

Access used this Fraction to Help LT and Spectre release the Brothers safely.


Otherwise the Brothers would been Obliterated.

Read the scan again, and this time wear your glasses.

"I stashed it in you two ... Hid it ... When it looked like the universes would be obliterated then the bum helped me jump someplace inbetween"

There was never stated that the Brothers would be obliterated.

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That just proves my point. If they were truly supreme (as in omnipotent), they not only could have resolved all of these problems in literally no time at all, but the problems would never have even happened in the first place if they didn't want them to.

Then compare it to a circuit with two switches, where the circuit is omnipotence, and the switches are the Brothers. Neither could've happend unless both aproved of it.

Their mind however works like the companies, the easiest way would be if Marvel and DC merged.
But they keep on fighting.

Besides you do not know how a omnipotent being would act, and you never will. They're ethernal, time is beneath them.
They're not in a hurry of a quick solution, like people.

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Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Wait so now you're saying that it was all the Living Tribunal and the Spectre's idea.
So basicly the Brothers werent struggeling, only the Spectre and the Living Tribunal, they struggeled so they could restore the universes.
And if Access didn't help them the universes (not the Brothers themselves) would be destroyed.
How?
Because the Brothers already ended and recreated creation while they battled.
And here they do it on panel, they destroy the universes, the same universes which Access said would be obliterated.

The Brothers survived that, but the universes didn't.

You just destroyed your theory.
You said the Brothers where struggeling to break free.
But they desired to be whole and unique.

So by merging or be merged they became complete.
Now The Living Tribunal and the Spectre wanted to restore the universes. Thus it was not the Brothers idea to break free. It was the Spectre's and the Living Tribunal's idea.

And it would not be the Brothers that would be obliterated but the universes, which obliteration the Brothers caused and surived.
That also explains why the Spectre and Living Tribunal couldent affect the Brothers in their battle.
Because they were nothing compared to them.


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Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Read the scan again, and this time wear your glasses.

"I stashed it in you two ... Hid it ... When it looked like the universes would be obliterated then the bum helped me jump someplace inbetween"

There was never stated that the Brothers would be obliterated.



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An explanation would be even better ...

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An explanation would be even better ...


I explained for pages and pages in the other thread you made,

and now this is taking the same rode.




I love ya T, but I can't do it again.

Yall can continue if yall like though. smile


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I explained for pages and pages in the other thread you made,

and now this is taking the same rode.




I love ya T, but I can't do it again.

Yall can continue if yall like though. smile

No the "explanation" makes no sense, it feels like I'm forcing you into a corner and you're trying to crawl out of a window.

Again, just print the quote where it's said that the Brothers (not the universes) would be destroyed/obliterated

use imageshack, use a full image (not a tumbnail) - the scan of one quote will be small anyways, no?
And post it.

It was never stated that the Brothers was near obliteration or any of that sort.

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Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
No the "explanation" makes no sense, it feels like I'm forcing you into a corner and you're trying to crawl out of a window.


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Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Again, just print the quote where it's said that the Brothers (not the universes) would be destroyed/obliterated
use imageshack, use a full image (not a tumbnail) - the scan of one quote will be small anyways, no?
And post it.
It was never stated that the Brothers was near obliteration or any of that sort.


As you wish.


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Very well then.

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20 minutes, for me it takes 5 minutes to scan and put a image up on imageshack, now the searching would probably take about ten to thirty, but then again, why would you search for the quote if you already knew where it was.
Now you better hurry up, I've gotta go to school soon, well, in like 2 hours.

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Oh, and Mike, I was thinking about your perspective at omnipotence.
You say that, if you can do anything limited by the company's universe, then you're omnipotent correct?
Now if they removed The-One-Above-All from the series, then the Living Tribunal would be able to do anything without any restriction from anyone.
Since the only thing the Living Tribunal cannot do is go against The-One-Above-All's will, power and authority.
But then again the comperhension of the term omnipotence is above us, and will forever be. Since in the 3rd dimension which ew live in there are paradoxes for such. - We can't imagion a being creating a rock so heavy he cannot lift it but yet he can.
- Now your brain is supose to recite this, making a reasonable explanation so that you can understand it, but that explanation is not the answer.
You cannot understand it, I cannot and no one else on this planet or dimension will ever.

The Brothers started to fight when they realized that they were me, but us. This means that the Brothers (one alone) was omnipresent, like Thanos said when he got the Heart, he was every feather on a dove he was a boy on the planet of the skrull, he was a rock in the desert ect.

But when their universes connected they were "us", Kyle Rayner was no longer just a part of one of the Brothers, but now both of them.

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