so we're going to have one document that takes the place of three documents (drivers license, soc sec card, birth certificate).......what's the big deal? that looks like efficiency to me. everything you listed.....you have to have ID to do now.
you crazy kids and your "boogeyman is out to get me" shit........
Originally posted by Evil Dead
so we're going to have one document that takes the place of three documents (drivers license, soc sec card, birth certificate).......what's the big deal? that looks like efficiency to me. everything you listed.....you have to have ID to do now.you crazy kids and your "boogeyman is out to get me" shit........
Lemme ask you a question, when they decide that inserting chips within a human being are mandatory. Will you think it's okay as well.
The cards contain RFID (Radio Frequency Identification ) which can be used to track you.
-Are you also OK with the NSA spying on american phone calss legally.
-The suspension of the constitution
-And the end of the balance of powers
How can you call yourself an american and be okay with that?
What is referred to as a" smart card" is the method by which these cards will operate.
They will contain the inclusion of RFID technology which will mean a tiny microchip implanted in their make up which will contain pertinent data on each cardholder respectively.
The data will be available to such machines as Card readers that will transmit a signal that the card will answer with a download to the reader of the contents of the cards chip.
This information will consist of medical recrds, and personall data like previous convictions,be they federal or state, perhaps a military record of service, and a link to the big computer data bases which hold other info such as financial, political, personal, and other data deemed appropriate for collection and storage of every ones personal lives....
Money and hardware has been allocated to this intelligence project in the past, but it was disassembled onti chunks by congress, though they did not stop its separate entities form completion.
The re-combination of these elements will be swift and the origonal intentions of it met with the issuance of these national IDs.
The data base already exists!
The cards will also act as a survielance tool of unerring accuracy that will be employed against every american and foriegn resident.
All movement within the country and outside it will be monitored through large computing capacity, and the card will be required for so many things as to give a very detailed description of movements and whereabouts, as well as financial and other information that will make our lives transparant to analysis and subject to review and question with very little personal freedom or privacy allowed to exist.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Lemme ask you a question, when they decide that inserting chips within a human being are mandatory. Will you think it's okay as well.The cards contain RFID (Radio Frequency Identification ) which can be used to track you.
-Are you also OK with the NSA spying on american phone calss legally.
-The suspension of the constitution
-And the end of the balance of powers
How can you call yourself an american and be okay with that?
I sure am ok with it.
why do I care if I'm tracked? Hell......I carry a cell phone with me at all times. if the evil gubbermet wanted to track me, there's the signal.....hell, they could lock onto the on-star signal from my car if they wanted. Why do I care if they know where I am......I'm not the one breaking laws. If they have to know when I'm at home, Wal-mart or work to be able to account for persons in the area where a crime is committed, I guess it's a fair trade. The only people this affects negatively is those who do not wish to have their location known because it could implicate them in a crime.
I could care less about the government listening to phone calls. the only people in negatively affect are those people who are up to no good. George W. doesn't care about the phone call I place to my mom's house an hour before the cookout telling her I like my steak medium-well. If the NSA has to know that I like my steak medium-well just to stop a few terrorists, drug cartels or crime raquets.....I guess that's just a price I'm going to have to pay. Ok, they've got me. Shit.....I guess they're going to find out I like sweet and tangy A1 sauce on it too.
I don't exactly get the whole "suspension of the constitution" remark.....parts perhaps....but not all. See....the constitution was made ammendable precisely because our forefathers knew that what worked in 1776 wasn't going to work in 2976. They made changing the document a built in measure. If the founders of our country would have wanted the country to be held under all the same laws as it was in 1776 for the rest of eternity, they would not have made the document ammendable. In 1776, black people were not even considered humans. They were 3/4 of a human. Let me guess.....you wish that hadn't been changed also don't you. We would all have our less than human slaves doing everything for us......America would be grand!
Originally posted by Evil Dead
I sure am ok with it.why do I care if I'm tracked? Hell......I carry a cell phone with me at all times. if the evil gubbermet wanted to track me, there's the signal.....hell, they could lock onto the on-star signal from my car if they wanted. Why do I care if they know where I am......I'm not the one breaking laws. If they have to know when I'm at home, Wal-mart or work to be able to account for persons in the area where a crime is committed, I guess it's a fair trade. The only people this affects negatively is those who do not wish to have their location known because it could implicate them in a crime.
So, you do not mind being treated like a criminal and having your privacy sacrificed?
Do you honestly believe this is what are Founding Fathers wanted, an America where people are tagged and spied on like criminals. This isn't Nazi germany this is America, and when the government Spies on it's people, publicy admitts it with no oppossition than something is wrong.
Are you okay with being chipped too?
Originally posted by Evil DeadI don't exactly get the whole "suspension of the constitution" remark.....parts perhaps....but not all. See....the constitution was made ammendable precisely because our forefathers knew that what worked in 1776 wasn't going to work in 2976. They made changing the document a built in measure. If the founders of our country would have wanted the country to be held under all the same laws as it was in 1776 for the rest of eternity, they would not have made the document ammendable. In 1776, black people were not even considered humans. They were 3/4 of a human. Let me guess.....you wish that hadn't been changed also don't you. We would all have our less than human slaves doing everything for us......America would be grand!
Oh please, I was obviously reffering to the Bill Of Rights when I mentioned the constituion. Since they protect our Natural Liberties, and keep government in check.
I guess you wouldn't really care if we lived in a Police State as well.
yeh but evil dead if there was really a threat out there then it would be ok. but they are lying to us so they cant control us. its about control. its not about protecting us .
The image they want you to buy ... but it is really about control, not criminals
i cant believe people are making up exuses to support this tyranny and fascism
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Strange, the Bill was passed on 2005.Gives too much power to the Federal Government, Infringes on privacy, Infringes on the Tenth Amendment and is a gateway to many un-constitional policy's to come.
In almost entire Europe exists something like National ID Card and it is in my opinion rather strenghtening citizen rights than infringing on them
Originally posted by Deano
yeh but evil dead if there was really a threat out there then it would be ok. but they are lying to us so they cant control us. its about control. its not about protecting us .The image they want you to buy ... but it is really about control, not criminals
i cant believe people are making up exuses to support this tyranny and fascism
Thats crazy. 😂 Of course there are threats. If there wasn't then I'd walk down my street at night time.....but there is so I can't. Did Icke suggest that theory? Its easy for him to say that cause he's rich and doesn't live in a threating area. That reminds me of when Micheal Moore walked down a street in L.A. He's such a ass for making it seem as if it was sooo safe. 🙄 I bet alot of idiots went there thinking it was okay to walk down that street and got shot or robbed cause of that dumb ass.
We all know where this is going, how many wanna bet that those who refuse the National ID will be labeled terrorist.
Hell, under section 501 of Patriot Act II, an american can be expatrated if the Federal Government "Feels" like the individual has the intent to become a terrorist, and they dop not even have to offer proof that the individual had said intent as statedin another section. Do you understand how criminal that is?
So, you do not mind being treated like a criminal and having your privacy sacrificed?
how is being able to completely eliminate my name from those suspected of a crime in a matter of seconds via digital data that would show I was no where near the place a crime was committed treating me like a criminal? It's the exact opposite. As stated earlier, this is all great for we law abiding citizens. Only the criminals have any reason to be against it.
Do you honestly believe this is what are Founding Fathers wanted, an America where people are tagged and spied on like criminals. This isn't Nazi germany this is America, and when the government Spies on it's people, publicy admitts it with no oppossition than something is wrong.
don't pretend to know the founders of our country. Such technologies were not even imagined during their time. With all the thought that went into our constitution concerning the rights of those accused of a crime, I believe if a method of knowing 100% certain if a person did or did not commit a crime were available at the time......they would have been all for it.
Are you okay with being chipped too?
damn straight. that would actually be much easier. I'd never have to worry about forgetting my ID at home. Hell.....it would be better if they made it so that all cash transactions could be done electronically via the chip and it also kept my medical records on it. I'd never have to worry about forgetting my wallet at home, someone stealing my wallet. If I were hurt while on vacation....a quick read of the chip could tell the doctors all my physical ailments instantly, saving valuable time allowing them to treat me sooner. My life may be saved.
yeh but evil dead if there was really a threat out there then it would be ok. but they are lying to us so they cant control us. its about control. its not about protecting us
come now Deano. No threats? Terrorists don't threaten me because I live in a rural part of the country but there are plenty of threats. Murder, robbery, assault, etc. etc. Not only crimes committed against me but all are also crimes that I could potentially be charged with......a simple scan of my chip or whatever could show I wasn't even at the scene.
If I'm robbed.....I want to be able to go to the police station and tell them exactly what time.....let them pull up my signal then see who's signal was standing 6 inches from me holding a gun at that time.
but unnecsary dont you think?
i dont think you understand the real reason for the microchip agenda. tagging is one reason for the chip but the other reason is the signals coming from the computer to the chip in your body.
there is absolutely no need for the microchip. the world is ful of hyped up monsters and so called terrorists, for the sole reason of scaring you. and more fool you for believeing them
there was some military person(cant rememver the name) who said that one day everyone will have chips and we will control there emotions and give them happy thoughts if they decide to do bad.
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Tell me true, noble citizen. What ARE you going to do when they come for you?
When the judges pronounce you a terrorist for participating in a peace demonstration and revoke your citizenship, what will you do? If you're a good boy, they may put you on probation for life and let you work in a McDonald's, or maybe Wal-Mart.
When the police decide to search your house because you contributed to a Muslim charity, and you decide to pull out your contraband AK-47 that you bought in a gun show in Texas, are you going to duke it out with them? Like Bill Cooper? Hell, they'll just fentanyl the whole neighborhood. What will your thought be with that last choking breath of yours? That you live in the best country in the world?
What will you do if they put you in a camp where nobody comes out? Petition your Congressperson? My Congressperson is Katherine Harris, as perfidious a felon as exists in any penal system. Don't count on me taking this route.
So what that you know you can't get an iota of truth from your TV or your local newspaper. So what that you know the vote was shamelessly stolen in Ohio, guaranteeing the ratcheting up of endless war. So what that you know we are being poisoned by chemtrails, insufficiently tested pharmaceuticals, and radioactivity spawned by America's own devil weapons.
The question on the table is ... what will you do when they come for you?
For me there is only one logical answer.
Shut down the government NOW, before we no longer have a chance to do it all.
But it won't happen. I received an e-mail from my friend Blaga in Bulgaria today, mired in her New World Order imposed poverty (she calls it USraeli occupation) and pining for happier days under predictable and relatively benevolent (in her estimation) Communist leadership.
She included snips of Milton Mayer's famous anti-Nazi polemic, "They Thought They Were Free." Yes, Mayer was a Jew, but I'm thinking he had no inkling of the Nazi-like menace Jewish Israel and the Zionist U.S. would become today. At least, you can't hear it in his prosaic lament, chillingly appropriate for the situation in America today.
"This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.
(snip)
"You see," my colleague went on, "one doesn't see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for the one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow.
(snip)
"But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That's the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and the smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked ....
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"And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self deception has grown too heavy .... The world you live in - your nation, your people - is not the world you were in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring .... But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves .... Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.
(snip)
"Suddenly it all comes down, all at once. You see what you are, what you have done, or, more accurately, what you haven't done (for that was all that was required of most of us: that we do nothing). You remember those early meetings of your department in the university when, if one had stood, others would have stood, perhaps, but no one stood. A small matter, a matter of hiring this man or that, and you hired this one rather than that. You remember everything now, and your heart breaks. Too late. You are compromised beyond repair.
(snip)
"What then? You must then shoot yourself. A few did. Or "adjust" your principles. Many tried, and some, I suppose, succeeded; not I, however. Or learn to live the rest of your life with your shame. This last is the nearest there is, under the circumstances, to heroism: shame. I said nothing. I thought of nothing to say.
(snip)
And so away went your freedom ....
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.... and one gray day, your life ....
Originally posted by Evil Dead
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Evil Dead, since your content with all the governments criminal policies, then there is really no point of continuing this debate. I do not pretend to know what our founding father were like, but if they wanted a government that's slipping into an oligarchy they would have not created the Bill of Rights. This goes against everthing America stands for, Yet, I suppose I'm crazy for wanting the Government to follow the constituion of the United States.