Originally posted by chithappens
The all knowing is a teaching from the Church ("God knows what you will do before you do it" - that sort of mess), not what is in the Bible.
Some shit is just made up and contradicts the religion itself anyway. Judaism, Islam, and Christianity have only a few variants actually.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Matthew 19:26 "But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."That would suggest omnipotence.
Also, this would suggest benevolence - Psalm 145:9 "The Lord is good to all."
1) I don't any pay attention to stuff in the New Testament. Bunch of crap. "Turn the other cheek" there but in the Old Testament it says "eye for an eye." Stuff like that is dumb and it happens a bunch in contradicting the Old Testament.
2) Put Psalm 145:9 into correct context. God has sent plagues, destroyed plains of flowers with his breath and so on. It is good to a human simply because they are his followers. God never says "I am good to all," in the Bible. If you could correct me that would be intresting though and I'd like to know what translation that was.
3) Matthew 19:26 still just means to me that God is all-powerful. All knowing suggests knowing the future and all actions before they happen which would seem to insult a lot of how people die and so on. Wonder how Christians could accurately depict that one.
Originally posted by chithappensYou do realize that Jesus talks about eye for an eye right before talking about turning the other cheek? In the same sermon Jesus talks about fulfilling the law. He is merely showing a better way to live, not overriding the law, or anything like that. That is not a contradiction at all.
1) I don't any pay attention to stuff in the New Testament. Bunch of crap. "Turn the other cheek" there but in the Old Testament it says "eye for an eye." Stuff like that is dumb and it happens a bunch in contradicting the Old Testament.2) Put Psalm 145:9 into correct context. God has sent plagues, destroyed plains of flowers with his breath and so on. It is good to a human simply because they are his followers. God never says "I am good to all," in the Bible. If you could correct me that would be intresting though and I'd like to know what translation that was.
3) Matthew 19:26 still just means to me that God is all-powerful. All knowing suggests knowing the future and all actions before they happen which would seem to insult a lot of how people die and so on. Wonder how Christians could accurately depict that one.
Originally posted by Burning thought
he obviously doesnt know the future otherwise he wouldnt of created man on earth
Originally posted by Burning thought
and i doubt hes all powerful
Man cannot demonstrate such kind of powers, so God is logically far more powerful and is considered to be fully immortal.
And yet you are leaving out the fact that "eye for an eye" was supposed to be part of God's law. Sort of like the iron law in the mafia.
Turn the other cheek is like "do not do what is unnecessary" but certainly if someone takes your eye all that shit goes out the window.
(the Christian) God is a god of war and does not tolerate disobedience. There is no getting around that.
Not a god of war, but God that has lead in war. There is a huge difference. And yes, disobedience is a problem with God. I'm not going to try to go around that. But really, in cases of the Law, you are given a choice: a) the Law b) turn the other cheek. Your choice, Jesus recommends b, but the Law was there for those that lack the forgiveness, self-control, etc. because God is all for justice.
Re: Something I've always wondered.....
Originally posted by TheMercurialI'll explain the LDS (Mormon) perspective on the question. I will explain it more broadly than the initiating post to address some of the other comments in this thread.
Ok, so Satan is generally referred to as "The Prince Of Darkness".
Does this mean that he is secondary to the "King of Darkness"?
Would this refer to God Himself, or was there a devil who sired Satan?Im just curious.
The LDS, in keeping with early Christian beliefs, believe in preexistence. This means that everything existed prior to the physical creation, and that the spirits of men existed prior to the creation.
The LDS believe that the "Angels" are merely men, in spirit or physical form, that serve God, and act with the power of God through authority given them by God.
Satan, was a spirit child of God, just as all men are. Christ was also a spirit child of God. Christ being the greatest of all God's offspring, Satan second to Christ.
In the preexistence, God presented the method of creation and existence as we know it. Satan presented another plan where the agency of man would be removed so that "sin" would not be present. This conflicted with God's plan and thus was rejected. Satan, upset, rebelled against God, and one-third the hosts of heaven followed him, these were cast out.
Now, the LDS also believe in "opposition in all things". This implies that there is an opposite to Satan, which is Christ. It may also imply that there is an opposite to God the Father. It could be possible that there is another above Satan, according to Lds perspective, but it would only be speculation.
It is also probable, and more likely from LDS perspective, that the title is a hold over from Satan's position prior to his rebellion, and not indicative of anything else.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
What does knowing the future have to do with creation of man?The concept of God is that he is capable of creating and controlling everything and he cannot be challenged and he never falls.
Man cannot demonstrate such kind of powers, so God is logically far more powerful and is considered to be fully immortal.
he would not of created man if he knew that we would defy him, misuse our freewill and the rest of it all, not on earth otherwise it would all be pointless because he would already know what would happen, he may as well simply create people and put them in heaven and hell imediatley without creation.
God being all powerful is simply impossible, if he was all powerful why would he care about worship or have humans, he wouldnt need them.