You fail to see how someone being kept alive using cryogenics, then given an artificial limb isn't believeable then somebody punching the "nexus of realities" and seperating worlds?
That's idiotic.
Bucky's personality was always like that, the media just painted him too look like a boyscout so he could be America's alternative to the Nazi Youth.
Jason Todd:
Dead
Lifeless body in Batman's arms
Resurected by someone punching universes apart.
Compared to Winter Soldier:
Presumed Dead
Body never found
Stored in cryogenics
How can they even be in the same league as retcons? One of them was extremely well done, the other was done extremely poorly IMO.
Yeah, because in the 40's there wasn't androids running around and people weren't turning from 86lb weaklings into super soldiers or anything? Compared to that, cryogenics is old hat.
How is Bucky's resurrection idiotic? It's almost a parallel to Captain America's, but if he was found by the Soviets. I find it entirely believable.
But compared to somebody coming back to life because an alien from another universe came over to the DC main universe and punched the nexus of realities so hard that it forced changes in the time-stream.
How in the hell is that believable? , really.. lol
In all the 40's Bucky and Cap were killing Nazis , Marvel didn't think that was suitable for kids in the 60's and then shuffled it into a 'it didn't happen' portal. Now they've brought it back (albeit in a less insane manner).
Plus,that makes it far more simple sounding,but this is whats being said.
In the 1940's a plane explodes,a guy loses his arm,goes missing,and is preserved naturally 4 awhile.
Soviets find him and somehow brainwash him,equip him with a high-tech robotic limb and make him kill their enemies,using highly advanced cryogenics technquies for decades.
Saying one is stupider then the other is truly stupid,as both require suspension of belief to a great degree.
Just because alot of far fetched things happen in comics, doesn't mean that you have to treat everything with the same level of believability.
Jason's resurrection is STUPID because it was poorly handled and blunt, why is it so stupid? Because it came from SBP's "Retcon Punch" which IMO was one of the stupidest moments in comics for a very long time.
And yeah, I looked at it.. So what?
Marvel Earth is not our Earth, they are far more advanced technology wise than we are, how is it hard to believe that if they are capable of creating super soldiers and androids, then how is cryogenics beyond them?
Why is it so hard to believe that in Dc's universe,where they have a bunch of Guys with Rings that can do anything patrolling the spaceways and a god-like being with powers almost like photosynthesis that reality can be altered in such a way.
I'd understand if you were saying in real world ways that it was more believable,but as your saying that we can suspend belief for one character or not another it just doesn't sit right.
Alot of stories are good because they aren't believable, because people use comics to escape from reality. I never said that because they aren't realistic, they automatically are stupid, just in this instance I think it was too far of a stretch.
Yes, suspension of belief is needed for both characters, but there's only so much you can sit through before thinking "Ok, I let that one go, but this is just getting silly now", Jason Todd for me was one of those moments.
BTW: Captain America did kill during the war, after he was injected with the serum and it took affect, a Nazi spy killed Dr.Erskine and Steve killed him. He has killed, he just dislikes it with a passion, thats why Bucky did all the wet works during the war.
CAPTAIN AMERICA #30
Written by ED BRUBAKER
Penciled by STEVE EPTING & MIKE PERKINS
Cover by STEVE EPTING
The best-selling Captain America series continues its most shocking story ever! It's the Winter Soldier versus everyone in this senses-shattering conclusion to the first arc of the EPIC "*Death of Captain America*" storyline. Winter Soldier versus Crossbones - the man who sniped Cap! Winter Soldier versus S.H.I.E.L.D. and Tony Stark's hand-picked Mighty Avengers operative! Winter Soldier versus the Red Skull! And finally - the Winter Soldier versus himself! You'll have to be there to see it! By Brubaker, Epting, and Perkins.
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PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL #11
Written by MATT FRACTION
Pencils by LEANDRO FERNANDEZ
Cover by ARIEL OLIVETTI
A handful of survivors and victims of our first year of stories converge for three wildly different confrontations, all setting in motion the explosive second year of PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL: In Washington DC, someone wants to have words with Frank about his recent patriotic costume change-- the Winter Soldier himself, Bucky Barnes! On a houseboat in the Florida Everglades, G.W. Bridge goes head-to-head with Tony Stark to negotiate the terms of his return to S.H.I.E.L.D.... or is it his surrender? And in a psychiatric hospital, Ian the Fake Cop Hero of Times Square has an epically strange chat with his epically unconventional therapist about... HEROES AND VILLAINS.
32 PGS./Parental Advisory …$2.99
Looks like Winter Soldier'll be squaring off against quite a few people these coming months.
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