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Sargeras.. Dont forget Sargeras.. He was one of the titans that imprisoned the Gods, and easily top 5 of the most powerful ones in the Warcraft Universe..
I don't think he needs a mention.


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He alone can probably deal with any God of LOK/GOW .. To his assistance he got the other titans.. And yeah.. I think Warcraft might swipe the other two of their feet..


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He alone can probably deal with any God of LOK/GOW .. To his assistance he got the other titans.. And yeah.. I think Warcraft might swipe the other two of their feet..
are u serious? u think one god can solo both of these mighty armies?


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Both are g*y. Probably Kain and them.


Uhhh was I drunk when I posted this? Or did it change?
God Of War takes this.


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Uhhh was I drunk when I posted this? Or did it change?
God Of War takes this.
u know world of warcraft in this to. different thread. but i see lok winningthis. to many armies and to many badasses when working together pawn the competition.

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are u serious? u think one god can solo both of these mighty armies?


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I meant he can go heads-up with any of the Gods in a 1v1 matchup.. So, they'll basicly send Sargeras on the largest threat, and have the other titans wipe the floor with the minor threats.. And I explained what would happen to all the ground forces.. If going with Ner'Zhul/Arthas at full prime, with all the powers he has as both playable and lore-wise, he can deal with most on the ground if he has his lieutenant and right hand with him.. Sapphiron is a mighty bonus, but as you said: All characters..

Warcraft Universe will yawn their way to glory..

Kel'Thuzad has probably the most dangerous attack thinkable..


Kel'Thuzad, Ner'Zhul and Anub'Arak is a 3-man team that can barely be defeated if they are together, which they are..


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Kain only has to use one move to kill Sergerus, its the extent of the time powers at the disposal of some of the titans, whos the titan with the time powers? it would be a battle of who can do what first.

i mean can any of them hit spectoral things, like things that excist in a diffrent reality, not to menstion invisible such as the Elder God, and the Elder God is more or less the size of a planet.


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u know world of warcraft in this to. different thread. but i see lok winningthis. to many armies and to many badasses when working together pawn the competition.
LOK's armies pale in comparison to the armies in WoW.


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in size thats a definate yes..but in power? not necceserily, at the heigh of their power there were thousands of vampires under kains rule if not tens of thousands anyway the armies are of no consequence, its the heavy hitters that will make a diffrence because Elder God on the LOK side, Zues on GOW side as well as the Titans on the Warcraft side could easily eradicate the smaller armies, although the Ancient Vampires and Hylden on the LOK will not be as easy as a bunch of sarafan, greeks or Alliance/Horde


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Kain only has to use one move to kill Sergerus, its the extent of the time powers at the disposal of some of the titans, whos the titan with the time powers? it would be a battle of who can do what first.

i mean can any of them hit spectoral things, like things that excist in a diffrent reality, not to menstion invisible such as the Elder God, and the Elder God is more or less the size of a planet.


As if manipulating time was a matter.. We have Nozdormu the timeless one.. Nothing that has to do with time can effect him, or his servants and minions..

To mention a few; Soridormi, Anachronos, Zaladormu, Occulus, Tick, Arazmodu, Chronormu, Grakkarond, Brazen, Sa'at and the entire bronze dragon race.. Every single one uneffected by time manipulation.. Time is their domain and no matter where, how and when you go, they will be there to fight you..

And on the ground they have the Keepers of time, which is basicly an army of time-warriors..

So basicly, a time-king will not stop the Warcraft universe..

As for the elder God with the size of a planet, let him fight C'thun and the Old Gods.. They have quite the size too.. And if that doesn't do the trick, have the titans enchant Kel'Thuzad ((Oh, I cant even imagine)).. If they increase the power of Kel'Thuzad, he most likely would be the winner in any fight, and he's a mere Lich, not even a demi-God..

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in size thats a definate yes..but in power? not necceserily, at the heigh of their power there were thousands of vampires under kains rule if not tens of thousands anyway the armies are of no consequence, its the heavy hitters that will make a diffrence because Elder God on the LOK side, Zues on GOW side as well as the Titans on the Warcraft side could easily eradicate the smaller armies, although the Ancient Vampires and Hylden on the LOK will not be as easy as a bunch of sarafan, greeks or Alliance/Horde


So, you believe that an army of undead will defeat the Warcraft universe.. Despite the fact that the Warcraft universe has hundreds, if not even thousands of paladins and priests, some more powerful than others.. All paladins are resistant to any shadow or dark spells, and vampires are pretty dark.. They are trained to fight the undead, and with all characters, they'd have Uther Lightbringer in command.. Then we also have Ner'Zhul, the master of undead.. His armies will have no blood to drain and nothing for the vampires to feast upon..


If you want a heavy hitter from the Warcraft universe, here's a few:
The Titans; Sargeras, Aman'Thul, Eonar, Norgannon, Khaz'goroth, Aggramar.

The Gods; Elune, Hakkar, Ula-Tek, The Forgotten and possibly Ragnaros ((Who claimed himself as a God, but I dont think he's official))

The lieutenants and servants of the Gods; Ragnaros, Therazane, Al'Akir and Neptulon..

The Aspects; Alexstrasza, Ysera, Malygos, Neltharion and Nozdormu..

Demi-Gods; Malorne, Aviana, G'Hanir, Aessina, Agamaggan, Ursol and Ursoc, Cenarius, Ivus..

That is only mentioning a few of all the ones.. I could keep going, but I believe I've brought up some of the more powerful ones..

And I believe I've told you about my favorite and his gang.. Ner'Zhul..



Trust me.. Warcraft can win..

And all those that I have mentioned have their own talents and special powers.. They have their areas of expertise and anything you throw in their direction, one of them can catch..


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Thanks for the reminder.. He's a WoW boss.. Now that I think about it, the Titans would just deploy him among the mortal ground-forces and he could go of.. If he isn't killed within two minutes of encounter, he becomes unstoppable.. At that point, he will within the amount of one-digits seconds lauch shadowballs at everyone within a certain area, no matter how many.. For each that dies, his energy will be restored to a certain point, no matter how weak the one dying is..


The stormwind thing you saw, was when a couple of horde tricked him into walking into the human capital.. Not even the Highlord could stop him, as Blizzard had to shut the server down.. He destroyed the entire city..


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As if manipulating time was a matter.. We have Nozdormu the timeless one.. Nothing that has to do with time can effect him, or his servants and minions..

To mention a few; Soridormi, Anachronos, Zaladormu, Occulus, Tick, Arazmodu, Chronormu, Grakkarond, Brazen, Sa'at and the entire bronze dragon race.. Every single one uneffected by time manipulation.. Time is their domain and no matter where, how and when you go, they will be there to fight you..

And on the ground they have the Keepers of time, which is basicly an army of time-warriors..

So basicly, a time-king will not stop the Warcraft universe..

As for the elder God with the size of a planet, let him fight C'thun and the Old Gods.. They have quite the size too.. And if that doesn't do the trick, have the titans enchant Kel'Thuzad ((Oh, I cant even imagine)).. If they increase the power of Kel'Thuzad, he most likely would be the winner in any fight, and he's a mere Lich, not even a demi-God..



So, you believe that an army of undead will defeat the Warcraft universe.. Despite the fact that the Warcraft universe has hundreds, if not even thousands of paladins and priests, some more powerful than others.. All paladins are resistant to any shadow or dark spells, and vampires are pretty dark.. They are trained to fight the undead, and with all characters, they'd have Uther Lightbringer in command.. Then we also have Ner'Zhul, the master of undead.. His armies will have no blood to drain and nothing for the vampires to feast upon..




ime curious where it was said nothing of time nature can effect Nozdormu or his servants, yes they have powers over time but are never seen to have protection against being frozen in time themselves, not as far as i remember, their powers in WoW and as spoken off in Warcraft, and WoWiki seems to be only time travel, and to make sure other time travelers would not break up fate. Since fate neither excists or is part of this battle and at the same time Kain is using time powers not to travel but to freeze/slow to a crawl his enemies. Unless ofcourse you can prove Noz can repel this.

The Elder God is immaterial, none of those you listed could see him, nor touch him..also if they could C'than and the old Gods are miniature compared to the Elder God. And whats all this about empowering kelth...they never do it to him so its unknown what he would gain from it, why Kelth, why not Nerzuel, he would probably gain more power.

Now onto the vampire legions the Elder vampires of Nosgoth, as well as the Ancient Vampires are immune to light based spells, their evolution is beyond the typical vampire, these Nosgoth vampires have varied abilites such as incredible speed, invsibility, mind powers..etc etc and no not the undead alone, they also have the Hylden, demons and such to help them against the warcraft universe and the Sarafan who are also paladins in a way, only they dont use light for ofcourse the immunity.

then we will have Raziel...he alone could stand against Nerzuel and his undead armies easily, infact he would be in hist element..

then we have kain to destroy all the main heavy hitters, using a series of powers, even if you find out that Noz can and is proven to be able to stop his enemies from using time powers on them then its not difficult to cut Noz out of the battle with a quick spell, soul death and the great dragon is gone, then kain could use his time powers, or he could use Dimension warp to instantly move through dimensions and apear next to the major enemies to destroy them, this could be Nerzuel, Kelth..Archimonde could have his soul swallowed, illidan as well.


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ime curious where it was said nothing of time nature can effect Nozdormu or his servants, yes they have powers over time but are never seen to have protection against being frozen in time themselves, not as far as i remember, their powers in WoW and as spoken off in Warcraft, and WoWiki seems to be only time travel, and to make sure other time travelers would not break up fate. Since fate neither excists or is part of this battle and at the same time Kain is using time powers not to travel but to freeze/slow to a crawl his enemies. Unless ofcourse you can prove Noz can repel this.

The Elder God is immaterial, none of those you listed could see him, nor touch him..also if they could C'than and the old Gods are miniature compared to the Elder God. And whats all this about empowering kelth...they never do it to him so its unknown what he would gain from it, why Kelth, why not Nerzuel, he would probably gain more power.

Now onto the vampire legions the Elder vampires of Nosgoth, as well as the Ancient Vampires are immune to light based spells, their evolution is beyond the typical vampire, these Nosgoth vampires have varied abilites such as incredible speed, invsibility, mind powers..etc etc and no not the undead alone, they also have the Hylden, demons and such to help them against the warcraft universe and the Sarafan who are also paladins in a way, only they dont use light for ofcourse the immunity.

then we will have Raziel...he alone could stand against Nerzuel and his undead armies easily, infact he would be in hist element..

then we have kain to destroy all the main heavy hitters, using a series of powers, even if you find out that Noz can and is proven to be able to stop his enemies from using time powers on them then its not difficult to cut Noz out of the battle with a quick spell, soul death and the great dragon is gone, then kain could use his time powers, or he could use Dimension warp to instantly move through dimensions and apear next to the major enemies to destroy them, this could be Nerzuel, Kelth..Archimonde could have his soul swallowed, illidan as well.


It doesn't matter if Nozdormu is frozen in time ((Which I doubt he can be, as he was given the powers of time by the Highfather himself)). However, if he would get frozen, this guy would have to freeze the entire bronze dragonkin race.. As every bronze dragon can manipulate time to a sense, and I'm guessing that the most basic of things for one that brings balance to time, is to take someone else out of a frozen state.. Especially the mighty keeper of time himself.. How would they be able to counter one that can master time if they themselves were vournable to things of that kind, as anyone mastering time is a danger to balance.. The highfather wasn't stupid..

They surely could enchant Ner'Zhul over Kel'Thuzad, but even though he is more powerful, Kel'Thuzad is more talented in certain areas.. Ner'Zhul is a shaman, a necromancer and a death knight, while Kel'Thuzad is a lich.. Their areas of experise vary.. Kel would be the best of choice to enchant.. They have never empowered him, but they could.. They increased Illidans powers to amazing levels, and Illidan isn't near as potential as Kel'Thuzad..

Hmmm.. Will Highfather, Eonar and the other Aesir Titans participate in the battle?

I believe that the vampires, if they are invournable to light attacks, could be dealt by the dragons.. The dragons has immense powers and different areas of combat.. There are someone for every ability.. If the threat is about draining life-force, I'd say the Tar Dragons are the best.. If they are fighting invisibility, I'd say the Nether dragons would be the best of choice, as they fight by mind, and even though you are invisible, your mind keeps thinking..
And of course, when it comes to those that can control minds.. What is best, if not.. Bone Dragons... Or, why play nice? Let's send Sapphiron at them..


As for Raziel, what makes him capable of stand alone against Ner'Zhul, his army and his companions?


If I recall correctly, Ner'Zhul doesn't really have a soul.. His spirit is enchanted massivly by Kil'Jaeden, manipulated, as well as fused with Arthas.. Anyone who tries stealing his soul, will get hell, as it's torn, fused and very scattered.. Ner'Zhul, before turning into the Lich King, was a master of the spirit world.. I'd say it's even impossible as his powers became multiplied of thousands when he became the lich king..


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Kain only has to use one move to kill Sergerus, its the extent of the time powers at the disposal of some of the titans, whos the titan with the time powers? it would be a battle of who can do what first.
No, I know for a fact Sargeras won't be being Soul Deathed by the likes of Kain. Sargeras fought some b*tch(can't remember her name), and he lost on purpose to her, although his body was destroyed, his soul possessed her baby, and grew up or some shit. Then he was defeated again somehow, and still his soul did not leave, he had to be imprisoned eyeless by the other Titans in another dimension being torured forever. Sargeras' soul is not dying anytime soon.


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No, I know for a fact Sargeras won't be being Soul Deathed by the likes of Kain. Sargeras fought some b*tch(can't remember her name), and he lost on purpose to her, although his body was destroyed, his soul possessed her baby, and grew up or some shit. Then he was defeated again somehow, and still his soul did not leave, he had to be imprisoned eyeless by the other Titans in another dimension being torured forever. Sargeras' soul is not dying anytime soon.


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No, I know for a fact Sargeras won't be being Soul Deathed by the likes of Kain. Sargeras fought some b*tch(can't remember her name), and he lost on purpose to her, although his body was destroyed, his soul possessed her baby, and grew up or some shit. Then he was defeated again somehow, and still his soul did not leave, he had to be imprisoned eyeless by the other Titans in another dimension being torured forever. Sargeras' soul is not dying anytime soon.


Sergerus has never faced anyone who attempts to destory his soul, Aegwyn is another thing that showns that overrating the titans powers is foolish since altohugh she is powerful she is only one of the guardians, not much more than a human who trains her powers greatly from what i remember.

killing ones soul is not a problem for kain, hell kain could imprison Segerus' soul in the reaver if he had trouble killing the soul...imagine that..the power of the perhaps second strongest titan in excistence powering the reaver..infinite possiblies

also Nerzuel does have a soul, but its potential or protection is never stated as a fact or even hinted at, i mean his soul has had a lot done to it but he has been reformed and merging with Arthas will not make it much more difficult for kain to destroy his soul, he would just destroy both since their fused

also the Dragons and none in Warcraft lore have been said to control time such as slowing/speeding it up, not from what i can remember, the dragons can easily stop their enemies who can travel through time because they can also do so, like players in WOW can help them, BM..Hyjal..these are events of time that Dragonflight have had to mess with but to assume they can protect themselves from any time based attack is unlikely..they and the high father already perhaps know all of history.


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Sargeras lost to Aegwyn on purpose, and if the Titans could not kill his soul, neither could Kain.


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Sargeras lost to Aegwyn on purpose, and if the Titans could not kill his soul, neither could Kain.


what immediatley makes you think that?...none of the titans from what i remember have shown the ability and if they have they would not use it, if i remember correctly they did not want to kill their brother, so they threw him bodiless into the void

as i said, into the soul reaver with him probably giving it infnite fuel power considering the power of his soul.


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Sergerus has never faced anyone who attempts to destory his soul, Aegwyn is another thing that showns that overrating the titans powers is foolish since altohugh she is powerful she is only one of the guardians, not much more than a human who trains her powers greatly from what i remember.

killing ones soul is not a problem for kain, hell kain could imprison Segerus' soul in the reaver if he had trouble killing the soul...imagine that..the power of the perhaps second strongest titan in excistence powering the reaver..infinite possiblies

also Nerzuel does have a soul, but its potential or protection is never stated as a fact or even hinted at, i mean his soul has had a lot done to it but he has been reformed and merging with Arthas will not make it much more difficult for kain to destroy his soul, he would just destroy both since their fused

also the Dragons and none in Warcraft lore have been said to control time such as slowing/speeding it up, not from what i can remember, the dragons can easily stop their enemies who can travel through time because they can also do so, like players in WOW can help them, BM..Hyjal..these are events of time that Dragonflight have had to mess with but to assume they can protect themselves from any time based attack is unlikely..they and the high father already perhaps know all of history.


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Dont you think he can keep someone from draining his soul?
Sargeras wanted to loose against the girl, but put up a fight for her not to suspect anything tricky..

I didn't say he didn't have one.. I said it was scattered.. Kil'Jaeden shielded it until the point where Arthas freed him.. If anyone lost the soul, it'd be Arthas and not Ner'Zhul.. Ner'Zhul was a shaman.. A shaman is one with the spirital world ((Or in terms of soul, "the soul world")).. Kil'Jaeden enchanted his powers tenthousand folds.. I believe his soul is pretty secure.. Also, as he is previously a powerful Paladin, he is also protected against darkness, which I assume is the field of magic used to drain a soul with..

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"Bronze dragons are very cunning, much like blues, and value wisdom and patience over all else. Nozdormu, their patron Aspect of Time, is patience incarnate. Bronze dragons exist to keep the time stream inviolate and the order of events progressing as the fates intended."


How can the dragons do this without being in control of time? If something endangers time, they has to wield the power to stop it.. They cant be vournable to the things that they are protecting..


Personally, I believe the soul of Sargeras ((If ever drainable)) is too much to handle.. I believe he's the third most powerful character in Warcraft..


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