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Mr Master
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Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
uhh so... what is thanos compared to PR Beyonder when he has HOTU,
i dunno wut to think about this...

THOTI makes one God withIN the Marvel Reality.

Beyonder was a God unto himself, outside of the Marvel Reality,
in fact, according to Shooter,
he was what God would be before God began Genesis.

Someone mentioned,
that Beyonder wasn't omnipotent because he didn't have knowledge of our Universe.

But seriously,
how many times have you noticed single celled bacterias while strolling down the street?

laughing out loud

Exactly.

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Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
Edit: well, actually was PR-Beyonders powers stolen by doom?
if so woudlnt that make him NOT omnipotent

There were stipulations involved in that event.

But aside from that,
it was simple PIS to make a more interesting story.

If we take into account Beyonder's power-set, and character history,
that should be an impossiblity in every sense of the word.

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Originally posted by Mr Master
Not exactly, that's supposed to be the Universe's actual beating "Heart"
but I thought it was interesting, that it was coined the same.
I suppose as in Eternity's (if he had one)

Still, trivia.

Actually that was Captain Marvel's heart... it was pretty much just a vision Captain Marvel had. That's why it's "his" universe...

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Thanos w/ THOTU would win. He had unlimited power, whereas Beyonder has shown his power to be limited, although it was trillions of times greater then the multiverse.

Infinity>Trillions.

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Originally posted by King Kandy
Actually that was Captain Marvel's heart... it was pretty much just a vision Captain Marvel had. That's why it's "his" universe...

Actually, I knew that.

My reply to Galan:

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Originally posted by Mr Master
Spoiler ... now they know where it came from.
The explanation was the mask.

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Originally posted by King Kandy
Thanos w/ THOTU would win.

*edit*

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Originally posted by Mr Master

Barring pis, Beyonder wins.

At best, (being generous) THOTI stalemates him.

Before I'd given it to THOTI,
but recent revelations (to me at-least) by Jim Shooter,
taught me Beyonder was more than I ever imagined.

Imo.

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Originally posted by King Kandy
He had unlimited power,
whereas Beyonder has shown his power to be limited,
although it was trillions of times greater then the multiverse.

Don't know if you knew this but,
the Marvel Reality was/is Infinite.

So that should be phrased,

Beyonder was Millions of times more powerful than the Infinte Multiverse.

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Originally posted by King Kandy

Infinity>Trillions.

Millions of times greater than Infinity > Infinity. smile

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Feb 15th, 2008 01:06 AM

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mm, you spent 10 pages of a thread telling me thanos was omnipotent THEN you say you think classic beyonder can take him and you expected me to just let it slide? laughing out loud

come on, now . . . smile

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Originally posted by leonidas
mm, you spent 10 pages of a thread telling me thanos was omnipotent THEN you say you think classic beyonder can take him and you expected me to just let it slide?

come on, now . . .

In Marvel there are levels of omnipotence. smile

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Originally posted by leonidas
mm, you spent 10 pages of a thread telling me thanos was omnipotent

Which was a waste,
cause I should've just stopped the instant I posted Marvel stating/depicting it so. smile

Don't feel bad though,
We spent 20 pages telling/showing Nvr the same thing, ultimately with no result.

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Originally posted by leonidas

THEN you say you think classic beyonder can take him
and you expected me to just let it slide?

I never knew Beyonder was supposed to be like God before Genisis.

Shooter associates the Marvel Universe with "OUR" Universe btw.

So go figure.

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Originally posted by leonidas
come on, now . . .

I'm not in the mood for a re-hash of those circles,
so I'll quitely

(depart)

Like Thanos said:

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stick out tongue

... peace and love yall.

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Feb 15th, 2008 02:04 AM

Mr Master
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Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx

In Marvel there are levels of omnipotence.

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Kubik says,

"Our power is as nothing to the Celestials"

Kosmos replies,

"But Kubik, do we not possess Infinite Power (Omnipotence)

Kubik retorts,

"Yes, Our might is Infinite. But there are Levels of Infinity"

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Kubik finishes,

"Thus are demonstrated TWO LEVELS of INFINITY,

there are of course, an INFINITE number MORE"

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Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
In Marvel there are levels of omnipotence.

there are levels of infinity -- there are an infinite amount of even numbers, but the infinite 'set' of even AND odd numbers is 'larger' then the infinite set of just even numbers.

there are NOT levels of omnipotence though. there is omnipotent and NOT omnipotent. to claim such levels exist is to do exactly what i said all along in a difefrent thread -- namely redefine omnipotence for this setting. you did exactly that by qualifying omnipotence 'in marvel'.

smart

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Originally posted by leonidas
there are levels of infinity -- there are an infinite amount of even numbers, but the infinite 'set' of even AND odd numbers is 'larger' then the infinite set of just even numbers.

there are NOT levels of omnipotence though. there is omnipotent and NOT omnipotent. to claim such levels exist is to do exactly what i said all along in a difefrent thread -- namely redefine omnipotence for this setting. you did exactly that by qualifying omnipotence 'in marvel'.

It isn't hard to get. Like one of the people I call dimension Gods, like Shuma Gorath, who are omnipotent in their dimension, now take, say...Mad Jim Jaspers, who is able to bend reality to a nigh omnipotent degree on an Omniversal scale, he would beat Shuma IN his dimension.

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Originally posted by Mr Master
Millions of times greater than Infinity > Infinity.

No really it isn't.

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Thanos has the better on panel feats -- Beyonder has the better on panel statements...

Feats > statements,
Thanos > Beyonder.

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Originally posted by King Kandy
No really it isn't.

Um, if you were actually smart enough to take a basic calculus course (and do well in it obviously), you'd realize that the statement is true.

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The problem I have with this is that the HOTI is supposed to be the power of the TOAA. The TOAA is the one who drew the Beyonder to begin with...the TOAA retconned him...and the TOAA could just tear the Beyonder up and throw him in a trash can...and edit Marvel History to say that he never existed to begin with.

If Thanos had the power of the TOAA...then it seems to me that his power would be well above what Beyonder had.

However, some say that the pre-retcon Beyonder also that the power of the writers...if that is the case...then, this would just be a stalemate of equal powers. I fail to see how the Beyonder could be above the power of the TOAA.

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Thanos Hotu for the win

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Originally posted by Mr Master
THOTI makes one God withIN the Marvel Reality.
[QUOTE=10198498]Originally posted by Southern_Rebel
[B]However, some say that the pre-retcon Beyonder also that the power of the writers...

But he was still retconned, so we can say that he couldn't resist the power of TOAA. So TOAA can do to PR Beyonder whatever he wants, he could make him even more powerful if TOAA chose so, but he retconned him, and PR Beyonder couldn't do anything about it.

PR Beyonder was still created by TOAA like everyone else. Who created him, writers, so TOAA.
THOTI is the actual power of TOAA within MU, no one can surpass that.
THOTI wins this.

If we would see again PR Beyonder in this time to face THOTI, THOTI would own him.
PR Beyonder was impressive, but this time he wouldn't be able to do to THOTI what he was to others, so wouldn't look so impressive against THOTI.

And this time, PR Beyonder would face the real supreme power.

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Thanos has better feats and wasnt really even challenged by anybody on panel. They were all a joke to him and he defeated them with ease. Beyonder loses this.

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Originally posted by leonidas
there are levels of infinity -- there are an infinite amount of even numbers, but the infinite 'set' of even AND odd numbers is 'larger' then the infinite set of just even numbers.

there are NOT levels of omnipotence though. there is omnipotent and NOT omnipotent. to claim such levels exist is to do exactly what i said all along in a difefrent thread -- namely redefine omnipotence for this setting. you did exactly that by qualifying omnipotence 'in marvel'.

Email Marvel is you believe they're "redefining" something.

But again, Marvel facts >>> any and all outside opinions. smile

Btw. Kubik was referring to their (Kosmos and his) "infinite Power (omnipotence)

Bah, as you wish though.

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Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
It isn't hard to get.
Like one of the people I call dimension Gods, like Shuma Gorath, who are omnipotent in their dimension, now take, say...Mad Jim Jaspers, who is able to bend reality to a nigh omnipotent degree on an Omniversal scale, he would beat Shuma IN his dimension.

... Precisely.

That's just one of many who can stomp "omnipotent" Shuma.

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