Billy Graham

Originally posted by ushomefree
Okay... great... but "why?!"

Well, if it entails belief in the heresy that is "Sola Scriptura" then it is a rejection of the work and purpose of the Holy Sprit, a rejection of the teachings of Jesus Christ and of his divinely established Church.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Well, if it entails belief in the heresy that is "Sola Scriptura" then it is a rejection of the work and purpose of the Holy Spirit, a rejection of the teachings of Jesus Christ and of his divinely established Church.

It isn't any thing like that. You would have to believe there was a Holy Sprite in the first place.

Let me give you an example: If you believed in Voodoo and a person had put a curse on you, you would feel the effects of the curse. But if you do not believe in Voodoo, then if that same person cursed you, you would not be effected.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It isn't any thing like that. You would have to believe there was a Holy Sprite in the first place.

Let me give you an example: If you believed in Voodoo and a person had put a curse on you, you would feel the effects of the curse. But if you do not believe in Voodoo, then if that same person cursed you, you would not be effected.

Yes....and that has what to do with Born Again Christians?

What Billy said made some sense.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Yes....and that has what to do with Born Again Christians?

Your beliefs, make up your personal reality.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Your beliefs, make up your personal reality.

He is right, I am right, you are right. Everyone is right in their own reality.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Your beliefs, make up your personal reality.

That's completely beside the point . . .

"Sola Scriptura" is scripture alone and to me knowledge you have to be Jewish and except Jesus to fall into that category.

Originally posted by ushomefree
Sin, by the definition of many religious belief systems, aside from Christianity, are defined as violations of God's will -- rules, in other words -- ensuring the best conditions of (or for) life. If everyone on the face of the planet treated each other as "themselves," life would be dramatically different then today!

Religion would be completely defunct for starters . . .

Originally posted by ushomefree
God's will is written -- witnessed -- unto our conscience. We, as conscience beings, know that murder is wrong. Such is not taught; it is instinctive.

And yet children without a glimmer of sin or evil in them will torture ants and crush butterflies. Murder being wrong is very learned. It simply pervades our culture to such an extent that no one has to come out and tell you "murder is wrong". It's like Superman, I don't remember ever learning who Superman was (and that seems like the sort of thing you'd remember) because no one ever took the time to explain it, he's just so much an aspect of our culture.

Originally posted by ushomefree
Aside from the obvious, you simply cannot deny the pain and suffering in your life. Such is the result of sin.

I'll upend your entire argument with: "No, it's not."

Originally posted by ushomefree
You are more than a machine; and you are more than chemical reactions. And the kicker is, you know this, ha ha!

"Thou shall not suffer a witch to live."

Unless you have another way of probing the thoughts of others.

Originally posted by ushomefree
I really do not understand -- at the core, anyway -- the usage of the terms "atheist, ignostic, and/or antitheist." What really are you attempting to convey? Help me understand.

What are, retarded?

Atheists don't believe in the existence of god, God, goddess, Goddess, god, Gods, goddesses or Goddesses.

Ignostics tend to believe that the existence of god should only concern god because even if he/she/it/they exists god isn't doing anything relevant in or day to day lives.

Antitheists believe that religion is inherently a negative thing and oppose it in any form.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That's completely beside the point . . .

Only if taken out of context; like you just did.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Only if taken out of context; like you just did.

G: "Being a born again Christian is a sin."

J: "Why?"

G: "Being a born again Christian rejects the divine teachings of Christ."

S: "Voodoo only works on people that believe in it."

G: "So what?"

S: "Our beliefs shape our personal reality."

SC: "Are you high?"

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
G: "Being a born again Christian is a sin."

J: "Why?"

G: "Being a born again Christian rejects the divine teachings of Christ."

S: "Voodoo only works on people that believe in it."

G: "So what?"

S: "Our beliefs shape our personal reality."

SC: "Are you high?"

How is being a born again Christian a sin? 😕 ...and he didn't say "So what?".

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
How is being a born again Christian a sin? 😕

Dunno. GMG thinks it's a sin because it rejects Jesus' teachings.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
...and he didn't say "So what?".

Paraphrasing 🙄

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Dunno. GMG thinks it's a sin because it rejects Jesus' teachings.

Paraphrasing 🙄

However, I didn't interpret the start in the same way as you did. I may have ignored it because it didn't make sense to me; to come from the person it did.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
However, I didn't interpret the start in the same way as you did. I may have ignored it because it didn't make sense to me; to come from the person it did.

"In my opinion...being a born again Christian is a sin..."

What on earth is ambiguous about that?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
"In my opinion...being a born again Christian is a sin..."

What on earth is ambiguous about that?

I didn't say ambiguous. I must have ignored it because it didn't make sense for that person to say that.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
In my opinion...being a born again Christian is a sin...

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Why? Cause it goes against scripture....add ons?

Adds Ons?

Case in point, all Christianity is an Add On.

SO lets not start rejecting the Add Ons...

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
G: "Being a born again Christian is a sin."

J: "Why?"

G: "Being a born again Christian rejects the divine teachings of Christ."

S: "Voodoo only works on people that believe in it."

G: "So what?"

S: "Our beliefs shape our personal reality."

SC: "Are you high?"

Haha, I love you!

He seems like a cool guy.

Feels good man.

Adds Ons?

Case in point, all Christianity is an Add On.

SO lets not start rejecting the Add Ons...

😉