So it is indeed an assumption? we cannot assume it does these things, I agree its a very intrieging coincidence but if its not stated to actually repel powers such as TK then its not exactley fair to simply take this and use it against anything and everything that could harm him, theres many many instances in gaming and other fiction where villains or sometimes even heroes do stupid things or do not do something for the sake of the plot. So from what your saying, there is no actual canon statement that the sword makes Link immune to TK? also lets tackle an assumption with an assumption, I dont have to because without the actual official statement of it protecting him your argument cannot go much further in this debate but for the sake of argument and because ime dreadfully bored perhaps it will only protect him from such evil things, such as curses and the like, TK is not actually evil, not to mention in the Legend of Zelda series, Ganon and other characters are specifically evil, evil is an outlined status of a being in the Legend of Zelda series. On the other hand, in Legacy of Kain evil is simply a point of view, there is no "king" of evil and thus its more than likely Kain who is not really considered evil by his own fiction is not protected against, and neither would his powers.
Perhaps for the sake of some kind of battle, ill take away Kains ability to TK since with it, its likely he can simply disarm Link and as crude as it sounds, literally undress him of most of his major items that could help him in the battle. If this happens, what would your argument for Link be? if Kain cannot use TK? lets say they start at a fair distance from eachother, say....40-50 meters (may change it), what would Link progress with from the beginning to defeat Kain?
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Haha, you sir are fair and reasonable. I wouldn't call it an assumption, though, considering that in TP it dances aroudn sayign it directly but says things kind of like it, but yeah, the evil thing seems pretty applicable and whether or not it'd work on Kain is subject to much speculation which is hard to prove for either side and... Well let's just move on, lol.
For the "he TK's Link and undresses him" lol selective quote, situation I'd ask to see the limits on what Kain can TK before I made any argument.
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I believe Kain can levitate and throw people around. Not sure if it would be enough to pull a sword out of a grip of a person who can lift thousands of tons, though.
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He moves Moebius' staff, an item from the beginning 0:21 and holds Moebius, perhaps an estimated 5 1/2-6 ft tall human. now as long as none of Links pieces of equipment are heavier than a human or smaller than a blood cell, its fair to say he could take it from him.
Can you show me where this is stated please?
and technically, Tk is physical.
Well that would depend on the gauntlets themselves, how are they fastened? lets assume Link is wearing these, we still cannot assume he is using his full strength from the very beginning, clutching as hard as he can on his sword, especially since he does not know what powers Kain will employ first, infact it may be likely he would not use the sword from the beginning, since he may want to use the bow or whatever other useful item he may have.
How are the gauntlets fastened? are they easy to slip on or off? if so then Kain could steal them and perhaps even use them against Link.
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Hm I see, what does back up what you said then? does anything actually say that it does indeed without question protect against all non physical effects?
He can if their not gripping tightly or using all their strength, you cant assume just because a person can use that much strength, that their using it constantly, not to mention the fact, that you would have to prove he can use the Master sword while using the gauntlets by proving the durability of the Master swords sword guard is indeed that strong. But grabbing the Master sword was not my only argument, he may depending on how the Gauntlets are fastened, simply take the gauntlets with it.
So you're saying its properties as shown in TP are not enough to establish it canon?
I may have already been debunked on this, but I just want to make sure.
@BT: Even if Kain did try to TK the gauntlets, it would be a matter of TKing Link so he's no longer making a fist, otherwise he'll be fighting the strength to keep the gauntlets on which, I think, would still be benefiting from the buff.
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TKing blood cells is more precise than any "tight" gauntlets, although what Xanatos says holds true, if he clenches his hands and uses his strength to keep the gauntlets on then Kain cannot TK 1000+ tons, but I doubt Link can hold a sword or weapon with his hands in such a manner that makes it difficult for Kain to slip them off, not to mention, if all they are is tight on his arms, and not actually fastened, then Link is going to try massively hard if its even possible, to keep those gauntlets on while fighting.
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Mar 14th, 2009 07:05 PM
Isn't that what you're looking for, BT? A clear statement of its abilities to establish canon? If I'm wrong, please show me how.
