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Dr Will Hatch
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Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
What record?
The 90s crossover between DC and Marvel

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Re: Re: Re: Stalemate

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History tells us that clones always lose.
i mean something along the lines of a parallel universe's batman, thor, or catwoman etc. that is exactly like their counterpart in training, age, weaponry, intellect, and so forth.


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The 90s crossover between DC and Marvel



nope the 2003 jla vs avengers

In the 90 crossover Batman did win do to the call in vote

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Originally posted by Space M ummy
Some of these responses are LOL.



Thor had about three decisive wins over the surfer BEFORE he turned
into a skyfather. Current Thor curbstomps the surfer and then some.
Keep in mind that outside of say, timetravel, they have the same skillset but thor is the much, much, MUCH better combatant.




one of these individuals can be depowered and/or has severe weaknesses to the skillsets of the other two. No way this is a stalemate.
The second someone bombarded superman with red solar, K-nite, BFR'ed him somewhere fatal or hit him point blank with a godforce blast he would be in serious trouble.

It's not a "stalemate" when one combatant has an edge over the other, even if that edge is only 6/10.



which brings us to this. You can debate all day who knows more martial arts, but that argument is pointless. Both have come across and defeated masters of every fighting style under the sun. Knowing 100 styles versus 101 or 110 isn't going to matter.

What DOES matter is that the SS serum makes it impossible to be stronger, faster, or have superior physical stats to Rogers unless one is by definition superhuman. (which batman isn't.) This gives rogers a slight edge but not a definitive one until we consider that the SS serum also eliminates or severely reduces fatigue toxins in the body, making stamina essentially limitless for rogers, and not for batman.

So now we have to consider that batman is up against an opponent who by definition is going to be physically superior and won't tire out. Even every gadget on his belt isn't going to help him overcome that kind of advantage. (give him everything in the damn batcave and significant prep and it's another story.) In a no prep standard equipment fight it's rogers here more often than not, but not a 10/10.



Spiderman gets curbstomped by venom every time without severe CIS/PIS. The symbiote is immune to anything but Fire and Sonics, neither of which is in spidey's powerset. The symbiote also doesn't set off the spider sense and can't be "blinded" either. Spiderman is unquestionably smarter but in a neutral arena without some conveniently placed help, there's not really a good way for peter to win.

What 3 decisive wins are you talking about?


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I just want to say, people saying Colossus and Sasquatch tie is ridiculous, Colossus and Tanaraq yes, but regular Sasquatch is beneath Colossus.

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Colossus is equal to a Great Beast?


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Duh~!


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The 90s crossover between DC and Marvel


Aren't those noncanon?


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Considering he was holding his own when his max strength was 70 tons, I say yes, for a while at least.

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Considering he was holding his own when his max strength was 70 tons, I say yes, for a while at least.


No.


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What do you mean no? Are you telling me he didn't fight Sasquatch, who had Tanaraq's body and strength at the time when he was Class 70, and he didn't flip him over and land several other damaging blows?

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No, I'm saying no, Colossus is no where near equal to Tanaraq the Great Beast.


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So fighting him and holding his own while he(Colossus) was nowhere near his full strength means he isn't equal to him?

I think he might have actually beat him.

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I'm talking about Tanaraq, not Sasquatch.

Mungi, where are you when I need you?


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You're not getting me, Colossus who was Class 70-75 at the time, was fighting Sasquatch, but he was in Tanaraq's body, which is why he could toss that huge plane like it was nothing. He had Tanaraq's body, durability, endurance, and strength, and Colossus was still going to town on him.

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You're not getting me, Colossus who was Class 70-75 at the time, was fighting Sasquatch, but he was in Tanaraq's body, which is why he could toss that huge plane like it was nothing. He had Tanaraq's body, durability, endurance, and strength, and Colossus was still going to town on him.
Didn't Colossus get made to look like a douche?

And Tanaraq's body is when Tanaraq takes full control, or shows up as his real form.
While technically true that Sassy is Tanaraq's body, saying so on the forum makes it look like Colossus did more than judo toss an average level Sassy.


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Even if he did, he was fighting a Class 100+ opponent(Sasquatch with Tanaraq's body and strength), while he was Class 70, and he held his own, are you saying he didn't?

And when I say he was fighting a Class 100+ oppnent, I mean he was fighting Walter Langowski, who transformed not into Sasquatch, but into Tanaraq with Walter Langowski's mind. WHich is why he could lift a 250 ton DC-10 and chuck it, Current Sasquatch can't do that, he's around 75 tons max.

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Even if he did, he was fighting a Class 100+ opponent(Sasquatch with Tanaraq's body and strength), while he was Class 70, and he held his own, are you saying he didn't?
It was simply Sasquatch. Adding in anything more makes it sound like he did more. If Tanaraq would have taken over, Colossus would have been sliced in half, but he didn't.

Wut. I never said that.

And he didn't really hold his own. He managed to fail hurting Sassy with a punch, and managed to jude toss him... ooo


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Look it up, and tell me that Sasquatch's original body wasn't that of Tanaraq the Great Beast.

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Look it up, and tell me that Sasquatch's original body wasn't that of Tanaraq the Great Beast.
When Tanaraq takes over, the body becomes tons more powerful. Sassy is basically an drop of that ocean.
it might be an original body, but devoid of many power.

And besides, using that logic, every feat of Sassy is pis, as he could have done so much better.


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