Mormon Propaganda And Editing Monopoly On Wikipedia

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, the thing you mentioned is actually based in opinion so obviously. If it comes to facts I find them pretty reliable though. And they often do cite sources in one way or another. I agree I'd double check, and if it is for something important you definitely have to find some other sources, but it's good on the whole.

Hence why I take everything on that site with a pinch of salt, but when it comes to something like religion, well that's an area I tend to avoid as chances are you'll be aruging to the cows come home. Worst thing you'll find me aruging over is a bands genre description, and to me a place like Wikipedia is a very grey area when it comes to that as well.

lol, ya, shame wikipedia can't facilitate everyone's subjective classifications

Originally posted by inimalist
lol, ya, shame wikipedia can't facilitate everyone's subjective classifications

Ah, you'll find the most 'ardent of metal fan disputing the likes of Cradle of Filth and System of a Down's genre classification.

ya, genres ruin music...

EDIT: but that is off topic... boo mormons!

Originally posted by inimalist
ya, genres ruin music...

EDIT: but that is off topic... boo mormons!

Easier to organise my iTunes for me 😉

Originally posted by inimalist
ya, genres ruin music...

EDIT: but that is off topic... boo mormons!

HEY! 😠

*Organizes Prop 9: legislation that would ban Canadian psychologists*

AHA! Take THAT!

WEEEE!

Originally posted by wicker_man
Easier to organise my iTunes for me 😉

WAIT! YOU MEAN A RELIGION IS TRYING TO GAIN ADHERENTS THROUGH ALL SORTS OF MEANS, INCLUDING ONES THAT MIGHT NOT BE ENTIRELY MORAL?! AND IT'S USING THE INTERNET?! IMPOSSIBLE!

🙄

The massive glut of information available to society via the internet and services like wiki now is a good thing, and is unprecedented in history. Individual usages of this phenomenon might not be the most upright, but it is, on the whole, awesome that we have so much capacity for sharing ideas. So I couldn't give two sh*ts about this, honestly. The internet can and does do as much for any given cause, opinion, religion, etc. as any other. Mormonism doesn't benefit any more or less. And seriously, when's the last time you heard of someone switching religions because of a wiki article? Or internet articles in general?

And if they are being underhanded and devious about it, they should fear backlash such as this thread, and countless other similar reactions throughout cyberspace. Easy information works both ways.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, but do it for yourself, categorizing music absolutely tends to be immensely silly.

Indeed. It's extremely subjective.

I remember back in the day the Korn members were a little irked about being called a grunge band or something like that. I still have no idea what that means! 😆

Originally posted by dadudemon
Indeed. It's extremely subjective.

I remember back in the day the Korn members were a little irked about being called a grunge band or something like that. I still have no idea what that means! 😆

silly analog music 🙂

Originally posted by inimalist
silly analog music 🙂

A techno fan? Of which groups?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Indeed. It's extremely subjective.

I remember back in the day the Korn members were a little irked about being called a grunge band or something like that. I still have no idea what that means! 😆

Originally posted by dadudemon
A techno fan? Of which groups?

The IDM/breakcore scene is really good

I've always liked Hardcore Techno, especially the UK sound from like 97-2000, but that style is almost impossible to find right now

lol, how familiar are you with electronic music, have you heard of Deathchant or Bloody Fist Records? Planet Mu?

EDIT: just a little taste:

IDM:

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breakcore:

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Originally posted by inimalist
The IDM/breakcore scene is really good

I've always liked Hardcore Techno, especially the UK sound from like 97-2000, but that style is almost impossible to find right now

lol, how familiar are you with electronic music, have you heard of Deathchant or Bloody Fist Records? Planet Mu?

EDIT: just a little taste:

IDM:

YouTube video

breakcore:

YouTube video

Indeed, I know who all of those groups are. (Notice, I dont call them "bands"? 😄 )

I am also a BIG fan of hardcore. I also like The Prodigy and Photek.

I also like Libido Airbag (awesome music..it is great.), Shitmat, Aphex Twin (big time Richard D. James fan.), AK1200, and several others that I like a BUNCH but I can't remember right now. My favorited list from Pandora has them all.

Edit 0 By groups, I don't mean "Deathchant". I am familiar with bloodyfist records. I think another poster referred me to them from KMC, before.

Those who dislike music labels are just as silly as those who dislike religious labels. Yes, a label is an incomplete picture. So just recognize that fact, don't stereotype as a result of a label, and get over it. Labels are necessary for all kinds of reasons.

fdog

Originally posted by Digi
Those who dislike music labels are just as silly as those who dislike religious labels. Yes, a label is an incomplete picture. So just recognize that fact, don't stereotype as a result of a label, and get over it. Labels are necessary for all kinds of reasons.

fdog

The thing with music labels is that they tend to be mostly subjective. And that the arguments about them are ridiculous.

Originally posted by Bardock42
The thing with music labels is that they tend to be mostly subjective. And that the arguments about them are ridiculous.

All labels are mostly subjective. Doesn't mean we don't need them for various reasons. But arguments about labels being ridiculous, sure. That doesn't mean usage of them is, though. That would be covered in the "don't stereotype" portion of my previous brilliant post.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
Indeed, I know who all of those groups are. (Notice, I dont call them "bands"? 😄 )

I am also a BIG fan of hardcore. I also like The Prodigy and Photek.

I'm a huge prodigy fan, in some way or another, all the classic standards come back to Prodigy 🙂

thats sick you like hardcore. Is it more the oldschool break sound then? Or like, do you know Radium/the frenchcore scene?

Originally posted by dadudemon
I also like Libido Airbag (awesome music..it is great.), Shitmat, Aphex Twin (big time Richard D. James fan.), AK1200, and several others that I like a BUNCH but I can't remember right now. My favorited list from Pandora has them all.

I'm not as big into Aphex Twin, but I love Shitmat. Haven't heard any Libido Airbag I don't think though... Have you heard the new Shitmat release on Planet Mu? 'one foot in the rave', it is all mostly the oldschool break sound, like early prodigy stuff, its pretty fantastic.

Have you heard any Venetian Snares? His stuff is so amazing. One of the few electronic artists, at least that I know of, to do stuff in like 7/4 or 5/4 or other non-4/4 time signatures.

YouTube video

Originally posted by dadudemon
Edit 0 By groups, I don't mean "Deathchant". I am familiar with bloodyfist records. I think another poster referred me to them from KMC, before.

Bloody Fist is one of my favorites. Deathchant is another label, so good. Their releases 1-30ish are the best music in the world, imho, lol. Hellfish and Producer, if you know their stuff.

oh hell, spam-tastic:

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Originally posted by Digi
All labels are mostly subjective. Doesn't mean we don't need them for various reasons. But arguments about labels being ridiculous, sure. That doesn't mean usage of them is, though. That would be covered in the "don't stereotype" portion of my previous brilliant post.

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fair enough

but classifications like speedcore/terrorcore/noizecore/darkcore are rarely as useful as "hard", "aggressive", "down tempo" or other such, non-genre specific, terms. In the styles of electronic music I like, knowing the geographic location of the producer says a lot more about how it will sound generally than does its "genre", though the two overlap a lot.

The type of genres people come up with, and the things they try to identify in the music to say why they belong to one genre scene or another is a total social construction, and I think the way people genre music has way more to do with that than any real empirical design of the song, and the same old "us" - "them" mentalities.

Originally posted by inimalist
fair enough

but classifications like speedcore/terrorcore/noizecore/darkcore are rarely as useful as "hard", "aggressive", "down tempo" or other such, non-genre specific, terms. In the styles of electronic music I like, knowing the geographic location of the producer says a lot more about how it will sound generally than does its "genre", though the two overlap a lot.

The type of genres people come up with, and the things they try to identify in the music to say why they belong to one genre scene or another is a total social construction, and I think the way people genre music has way more to do with that than any real empirical design of the song, and the same old "us" - "them" mentalities.

Well then that's not a critique of labels, just a critique of stupid people. 😉

But agreed in full, though I don't think it knocks my earlier argument much. I just remember making a thread in the music forum once where I invented a label in order to try to describe the style of music I enjoyed, in hopes that others would know of such music and we could all learn of new bands and such. Instead I was just roundly insulted and mocked for coming up with a new "useless" label. It seemed counter-productive, to say the least.