doomsday has tanked the omega beams AND the astro force, without so much as a scratch to show for it. nothing i've seen leads me to believe the destroyer's energy-based powers are > the aforementioned [and they'd have to be MUCH greater to cause doomsday any lasting harm.]
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furthermore, doomsday shredded through numerous imperiex probes [ie. the same vessel(s) that the entropy/aegis armor was forged from] like they were cheap fodder:
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Ok. first of all dont darkseids Omega beams vary in power output (i.e can he control how powerful he makes it)? I mean i remember superman taking it with little damage and i think cyborg superman has taken it as well. If so then while doomsday taking it is no doubt impressive, its not something that puts him beyond the range of the destroyers disintegrator beam which has shown to be able to kill and oneshot people with durability on the level of thor (i.e around the same level as superman). Also its regular blasts have even shown to be able to tear through mjolnir (a metal equal to primary adamantium) easily.
Further i also seem to remember supermans using his HV and icebreath to blow holes through the imperiex probes as well as physically dominating them. Therefore r u really suggesting that the entropy aegis armour is of comparable toughness to the impriex probes that both superman and doomsday were destroying? Seriously?. Anyhow, The Asgarsdian destroyer has shrugged off without any damage the best blows and attacks from hercules and all out thor, (who is definitely of comparable strength to Superman and with mjolnir has >>>striking power and blast ability),Desak the godslayer, as well as the entire army of Asgard+thor,combined attack of avengers etc.
I highly doubt that superman level blows will be able to damage it when greater attacks have failed.
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heh, i love how you completely ignore doomsday having also tanked the astro force, and focus solely on the omega beams' lower showings... i guess it's not completely unexpected though - i mean, that does seem to be the norm around here. *shrug*
and yes. superman also destroyed a few imperiex probes. however, what must be noted is that he was only capable of such when he entered a very specific mindset [ie. when he was completely enraged.] that said, if you know anything about superman, you'd also know that there is very little he can't do... especially when he's pissed. but make no mistake, supes destroying the probes is a ridiculously uber feat in it's own right.
furthermore, you also seem to be completely disregarding the fact that a single imperiex probe collectively shit stomped, and was totally unfazed by, the likes of: kyle, wally, plastic man, wonder woman, superman, j'onn, mongul/all of war world, darkseid/all of apokolips, etc. hell, even thunderbolt was hesitant to combat a probe.
...yet doomsday shredded through several of them like cheap tissue paper.
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Regardless, the Destroyer piloted by an ordinary mortal was manhandling Thor in their first encounter.
Classic Destroyer was arguably the most powerful Marvel character when it first appeared. It was indestructible (not 'nigh indestructible': it took a hammer strike like nothing), could harness any force in the universe (this further allowed for matter manipulation), and could fire beams of limitless force (that's how it sliced up Mjolnir effortlessly).
I think the Destroyer takes this.
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lol, I didnt focus on the astroforce because, tanking the astroforce was the lower of the two feats and from the get go i dont thnk it puts him out of the range of being affected by the destroyers beam. Hence it was irrelevant to my point. Further, since u attempted to use the omega beams to claim that DD would be unaffected by the destroyer blasts, i was obligated to bring to light the fact that the omegabeams have been tanked by beings around supermans level of durability. I even offered up an explanation for this (Darkseid varying the beams output) because i wasnt trying to downplay the overall power of the beams themselves.
Nextly, saying "there is very little supers cant do", doesnt even qualify as an argument. Indeed his high feats are impressive but they dont put him beyond other high heralders who have high feats just as good.
And as for the imperiex probe thing, indeed the probe was beating the JLA in much the same manner Konvict was beating them. but would u seriously then argue that each of the JLA members went all out and fought to the best of their abilities in the same manner that supes did when he fought the probes the second time? simply no. ITs similar to the situation in which konvikt, a character that superman can handle fairly easily on his own if he uses his abilities to fullest, was giving the JLA (superman included) fits. Its the same thing with characters like thor in the avengers, and surfer and Dr strange in the defenders. Characters that they can individually defeat without much trouble constantly give them huge problems while they fight in teams. Its as a result of not utilizing their abilities to the fullest. Its doesnt,as u seem to be implying, mean that there is some form of astronomical gap between superman and the rest of the JLA combined. The same thus goes for Doomsday as well.
And so no, doomsday destroying imperiex probes while impressive does not lead me to believe that he can harm the destroyer considering the beings that have failed in the past.
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Simply put, Thor is an extremely powerful god, one of the most powerful beings in the MU, he couldn't put a scratch on the Destroyer, until he absorbed all of his dad's power, who was the 2nd most powerful Norse god in existence, following behind Bor. Destroyer Armor is one of the worst things for Doomsday, not just the disintegration beams, but it's transmutation could change Doomsday into something, but not kill him, he wouldn't evolve or adapt, because he's not hurt. Or if he did something like, disintegrate him down to a skeleton, then he's screwed, they said it would have taken him a millinia to regrow from that skeleton if he hadn't had help.
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Not lowballing them. Comparatively they are not supermans most powerful method of attack (which are his punches obviously) and blastwise they are not at all as good as what thor brings to the table.
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I never claimed they werent powerful.
Oh and in regards to the example, ill ask u the same thing, do u think that the each of the JLA members that fought the probes fought them to the best of their abilities in ways similar to how supes fought them the second time? If not then the konvikt example is pretty valid since i was using it to illustrate the same idea (not fighting to the best of their abilties).
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