BH, i was referring to the civil war "fight," where cap just beats punisher mercilessly for having killed two villains who were trying to join up with the anti-registration underground. i don't have the issues handy, but i believe frank refused to fight back.
Uncalled for. You're turning this into a personal attack, which isn't any less of an offense to the thread than what you're calling out Battlehammer for doing.
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I would support heroes killing if there was some sort of SRA in place. If they're going to be required to use lethal force, they should be put under far stricter reigns than any other task force we use.
Otherwise, where is the line drawn between Batman killing Joker and Punisher shooting a drug dealer?
To me, it's the important/meaning of that action. Batman puts a lot of emphasis on how important it is not to take a life and so on. Naturally, not killing the Joker has already led to countless deaths. That's not Batman's problem though, somehow DC has the most retarded judicial system in the comics-verse.
How? If he denies he's a Wolverine fanboy then he's in denial. Also, he was doing something that people genuinely hate fanboys of ANY kind for; specifically Wolverine ones.
It applies to all, one of whom is him.
I was the one being TOLD that he was what I said he is when I came back here. He's a known Wolverine preacher.
But I think I have seen in the past fan boys who have said he win, I'm sure in some threads its been said...wolverine888 or whatever his name was may have been one of those members but I have a life and don't keep a list of members who said wolverine could beat superman
take the wolverine chatter somewhere else, fellas. it's not important and it's unrelated.
back on topic, another x-factor-related killing. when madrox multiplies himself silly, while under hypnosis, and ends up killing the crew of a HYDRA base, he comes to a mentions that he feels absolutely nothing for it. "no regret. no horror. no elation. just... empty." he also mentioned earlier that he was intending to kill the man who'd hypnotized guido [guido having killed someone while under said hypnosis,] and reiterated his intention right before being hypnotized himself.
does this behavior make madrox specifically NOT a hero, by the accepted definitions? or does it just complicate the relationship between heroes and killing? let's get back into talks about that; these x-factor references are merely to bring up points, not to be discussed solely. feel free to add anything that applies.
Yeah, I've always thought the entire direction of X-force, especially their new incarnation is totally aimed to be the anti-hero sort of gang. Which is cool, because thye're doin' stuff I wish the X-Men did.
Yeah, I'm sort of on the fence about that decision. Like, I'm glad Cyclops is finally getting gritty and over the top by forming X-Force, but at the same time, it goes against his character in a sense.
It's certainly an interesting point. I think if we go by comic book rules, then we'd lump them into the Anti-hero group, well meaning but willing to commit acts that might be considered villainous. However, for me personally, I'd major on what Kris Blaze was referring to when he was talking about the meaning/intention being important, what defines an anti-hero as having the heroic element has to be their intention, otherwise someone like the Punisher would be hanging around with characters like Bullseye.
it's just how he's been portrayed during the whole thing. could i see him forming x-force? sure. but not the way he's done so. he's far too callous about the whole thing, and that doesn't sit right with me.
I know what you mean. How do you think they'll deal, or should deal, when it's revealed he formed X-Force? That is if it's still a secret, last time I checked it was.
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