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Rage.Of.Olympus
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Out of curiosity, when was the last time Darkseid did something above what one Top Tier or another could do?

From what I've seen, physically speaking, his been brought down to Top Tier level and the Omega Effect is well, the Omega Effect. Of course I've been reading most of Darkseid's fights with Superman recently so I'm not very objective at the moment when it comes to Darkseid. erm

If his at his higher end levels, he would win. The guy Superman has punked loses.

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A competent non-PIS-y Darksied should be beyond High Heralds, imo.

He is.

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Out of curiosity, when was the last time Darkseid did something above what one Top Tier or another could do?

From what I've seen, physically speaking, his been brought down to Top Tier level and the Omega Effect is well, the Omega Effect. Of course I've been reading most of Darkseid's fights with Superman recently so I'm not very objective at the moment when it comes to Darkseid.

If his at his higher end levels, he would win. The guy Superman has punked loses.

Why do some people think Superman's victories are interchangeable for all High Heralds?

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Why do some people think Superman's victories are interchangeable for all High Heralds?

because he's obviously just a flying brick whose apparent lack of versatility is always going to be a handicap against other heralds.

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Why do some people think Superman's victories are interchangeable for all High Heralds?

They aren't. However they do give us an understanding as to how a being on Superman's level physically who can hit nearly as hard as him on top of being more versatile would do against an opponent that Superman has straight up just beaten down. Superman might be physically above Beta Ray Bill but the gap isn't that large that Stormbreaker etc. won't make up for it.

Darkseid has basically been a Class 100 with beams of energy coming out of his eyes and hands against Superman recently from what I've seen. That Darkseid can lose to Bill.

If I see Thor beating a character up in a brawl, I'll sure as hell use that as evidence that Superman can do the same under those circumstances (If there are any.).

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They aren't. However they do give us an understanding as to how a being on Superman's level physically who can hit nearly as hard as him on top of being more versatile would do against an opponent that Superman has straight up just beaten down. Superman might be physically above Beta Ray Bill but the gap isn't that large that Stormbreaker etc. won't make up for it.

Darkseid has basically been a Class 100 with beams of heat coming out of his eyes and hands against Superman recently.

If I see Thor beating a character up in a brawl, I'll sure as hell use that as evidence that Superman can do the same under those circumstances (If there are any.).

Even when brawling Superman is hundreds of times faster than Thor so the comparison doesn't fly.

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Even when brawling Superman is hundreds of times faster than Thor so the comparison doesn't fly.

Lol.

Because Superman in his "I'll fight you head on." mode is so well known for his amazing usage of super speed.

The only notable uses of super speed that Clark has used recently against Darkseid that I can think off is to circle Darkseid and force the Omega Effect to strike him. Bill doesn't need to rely on such a tactic.

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The only notable uses of super speed that Clark has used recently against Darkseid that I can think off is to circle Darkseid and force the Omega Effect to strike him.

Omega Beams, goddamnit.

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Lol.

Because Superman in his "I'll fight you head on." mode is so well known for his amazing usage of super speed.

The only notable uses of super speed that Clark has used recently against Darkseid that I can think off is to circle Darkseid and force the Omega Effect to strike him. Bill doesn't need to rely on such a tactic.

You mean Bill doesn't need to use PIS? You're very mistaken there.

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A competent non-PIS-y Darksied should be beyond High Heralds, imo.

Darkseid beats Superman.

Seriously, people gotta stop holding a few badly written stories against him.

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Darkseid beats Superman.

Seriously, people gotta stop holding a few badly written stories against him.

There's actually a lot of badly written stories to his name.

But yeah, Darkseid ftw.

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A competent non-PIS-y Darksied should be beyond High Heralds, imo.

But of course not Superman.

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Anyways.....DS is above HHs and even Supes when PIS is not part of the storyline.

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Even when brawling Superman is hundreds of times faster than Thor so the comparison doesn't fly.

Thor has a hammer which can deflect his beams without having to resort to flying around to get them to hit Darkseid in the face.

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Thor has a hammer which can deflect his beams without having to resort to flying around to get them to hit Darkseid in the face.

Until it actually deflects the OE assuming the Mjolnir can reflect the OE is asinine. Reflecting the beams to hurt DS is crap writing anyway.

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Why do some people think Superman's victories are interchangeable for all High Heralds?

That's not even the issue, his wins are PIS. Most high heralds could indeed match those feats against DS if he behaved like he did against SM.

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Why do some people think Superman's victories are interchangeable for all High Heralds?

why do we consider Superman a "high herald" if he can achieve thing other high heralds cannot dream about then?

DS should be easily above the likes of Thor, Surfer, Hal Jordan etc which are the cream of the High Herald list.

If Superman can casually beat him let's move him a tier up and maybe that will save us from some spite threads

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Out of curiosity, when was the last time Darkseid did something above what one Top Tier or another could do?

From what I've seen, physically speaking, his been brought down to Top Tier level and the Omega Effect is well, the Omega Effect. Of course I've been reading most of Darkseid's fights with Superman recently so I'm not very objective at the moment when it comes to Darkseid.

If his at his higher end levels, he would win. The guy Superman has punked loses.

Or you know, maybe, Superman steps it up when he needs to, and is a lot more powerful than people give him credit for.

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