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Lunacyde
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Here's a picture of what Batman goes through all the time, without a Healing Factor to help.

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All I am saying Batman in normal shape > Wolverine in said weakened state.

H2H skill-wise they're about equal. They also share similar ninja skills.

Batman has superior escape artistry, tactical mind (though Logan's isn't bad), and other various skills he has mastered.

And where do you get Logan having a pain threshold Batman can't even touch....have you read about Bruce Wayne? I won't say he's superior to Logan, but to dismiss his pain threshold is absolutely ridiculous.

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false. It pretty debatable if he has superior escape artistry, Logan has many pretty insane feats of it. Wolverine has also master various skills.


Logan is clearly higher, not say batman aint impressive, but it not on this level.

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All I am saying Batman in normal shape > Wolverine in said weakened state.

H2H skill-wise they're about equal. They also share similar ninja skills.

Batman has superior escape artistry, tactical mind (though Logan's isn't bad), and other various skills he has mastered.

And where do you get Logan having a pain threshold Batman can't even touch....have you read about Bruce Wayne? I won't say he's superior to Logan, but to dismiss his pain threshold is absolutely ridiculous.
b/c wolverine in the raft was attacked by over half a dozen guards and dazered repeatedly and logan didnt die. his will was indominable and no human body peak or not could have survived the eletrical assault. he lived by sheer will knowing he would make them all pay and get even deny them the satisfaction of his death..

he was then thrown into a hole at least a two story drop that would have broken human bones.. logan was then drugged and hosed down by high water pressure hoes in his chest naked in a cold damp hole.

the adamantium allowed him to survive broken bones and the high pressure water hoes on his chest.

i dont see batman surviving broken bones, butt naked watered down in a deep dark hole. let alone just being a mean prick who has felt insane amount of pain that he refuses to just die.

Logan is desensitized to a high degree.


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Here's a picture of what Batman goes through all the time, without a Healing Factor to help.

thats nothing, and wolverine has mention that actaully healing injuries is more painful then what cuases them. He also stated several times to be in constant pain from his adamatium, he also has phantom pains. Also wolverine pain from his claws is so intense rouge went almost insane from it.


Batman pain tolerance is not even comparable.

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However I do agree, batman has the best chances of escaping.

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However I do agree, batman has the best chances of escaping.
i agree, "if" and only "if" no one is actually focused on him like Wolverine was. Wolverine was constantly being watched and harassed by the guards.

but i dont really see many surviving a yr now that i think of the Sh#$ wolverine went through the few couple of weeks. i mean it was insane.

i changed my mind, i dont think anyone could last a year including wolverine. they would all need to back each other up to survive.


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false. It pretty debatable if he has superior escape artistry, Logan has many pretty insane feats of it. Wolverine has also master various skills.


Logan is clearly higher, not say batman aint impressive, but it not on this level.


As far as escape artistry Batman is one of the best in comics, he has more consistent feats of it IMO, although Wolverine has some as well. In regards to other skills, I think Batman has the advantage in such this as lock picking, detective-work, disguising himself, acting, technological abilities, etc.

I won't argue Wolverine's is higher, but Batman's is one of the best, if not the best normal human in Comics. It deserves a degree of respect.

@ Castleking. You speak of will as if Batman doesn't have one of the most indomitable wills in comics. Batman's pure willpower is greater than that of Wolverines, unfortunately Wolverine has the advantage of unbreakable bones.


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As far as escape artistry Batman is one of the best in comics, he has more consistent feats of it IMO, although Wolverine has some as well. In regards to other skills, I think Batman has the advantage in such this as lock picking, detective-work, disguising himself, acting, technological abilities, etc.

I won't argue Wolverine's is higher, but Batman's is one of the best, if not the best normal human in Comics. It deserves a degree of respect.

@ Castleking. You speak of will as if Batman doesn't have one of the most indomitable wills in comics. Batman's pure willpower is greater than that of Wolverines, unfortunately Wolverine has the advantage of unbreakable bones.

I not sure he does. Wolverine has pretty consistent feats of sneaking in and escaping highly secure area's. A lot of those skills won't matter with out his belt.


No he doesent. Wolverine has crazy will power, to say batman is more powerful is a stretch to say the least. Logan keeps his berserker rage in check from force of will a lone.

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not sure if he has the best chance of surviving the year, he does however have the best chance of escaping. Though I not sure if he be able to accomplish it, if anyone it be him.

He also has one of the highest chances of surviving I would say wolverine, punisher, shang-chi and IF and batman would be the only ones with a shot of surviving.

IF, Shang-chi cis might hurt them, but they skills should keep them out of trouble for a long while.

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here is a scan of the raft arc in the wolverine comic.

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/5641/shockhl0.jpg

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being taken to the hole where he will be dropped.

Logan states he is desensitized that he has experience so much pain that he can tolerate levels that a human would be in shock.
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/5263/pain31teai3.gif
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/7796/pain48syqv0.gif
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8691/pain54hstn5.gif

talks about his coping technique and training for pain.
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/82/pain78sikz7.gif
he talks about the phantom pains of his injury and the intensive pain of his body healing..


logan has stated in the past that his physical senses and attributes also makes him more sensitive to pain and amplify them where normal humans would not feel it as intensely


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false. It pretty debatable if he has superior escape artistry, Logan has many pretty insane feats of it. Wolverine has also master various skills.

Batman is the second greatest escape artist in the DCU after Mister Miracle. Also what are some of these feats you speak of? Can they compare to escaping the Omega Sanction?


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Batman is the second greatest escape artist in the DCU after Mister Miracle. Also what are some of these feats you speak of? Can they compare to escaping the Omega Sanction?

What is the Omega Sanction, I don't read much DC out side batgirl, flash.

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What is the Omega Sanction, I don't read much DC out side batgirl, flash.
a laser eye blast from darkseid.


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