She cut his throat after fleeing from him. Supes temp ko'd her with one punch and that shows how out of her league she was.
She didn't fight Marvel long and marvel has stalemated Superman in strength and ko'd him on occasion. These guys are in the same league whereas WW isn't.
I am sure you are leaving out a lot of context here with these feats I am unaware of.
WW isn't in Superman's league. Ninety nine percent favor Superman over her in a forum matchup proving she isn';t in his league. Those who are it's not as onesided as it tends to get when you pit WW against an elite top tier. Has done what ?
I never know what's up with the "Gasp! What do you mean, Wonder Woman is strong?? I've never seen anything to suggest that! Certainly not the dozen or so times she's fought Superman over the years, often to a near-standstill, or her rogue's gallery full of trans opponents with the odd Skyfather, or the tons of times she's fought other major supervillains in the JLA and her own book," people. Especially when it's people who've been in the forum for awhile and certainly have heard of this.
After leaving him knocked down in a crater... not moving... and she wasn't fleeing, she was going after Max, then Superman came at her directly and lost. There were three sub-clashes in that fight and she won two of them. Superman never had a chance to take her out for good- which he was trying to do the entire time, while she did take him down and render him helpless in a situation she could've easily followed up on.
How can you just ignore 2/3rds of the fight and not note that as anything but bias? Or expect us to not notice that you're doing that?
He temp-KOed her, not long enough to exploit, she turned it around and cut his throat.
The writer of the fight even said he's got the edge in flight but she does on the ground.
Anyway, whine whine, excuse excuse, she clearly was fighting very well against him, and she's fought him to a stalemate on many other occasions (For Tomorrow being another) where no serious injury happens.
That was absolutely no-hold-back Superman, which most opponents don't get to meet, and she turned around a tough situation into a win.
Marvel's only KOed Superman with suckerpunches. WW's beaten him head on (a slim minority of the time and she's always in bad shape afterwards, and she fully admits he's stronger, but still, she's pulled it out and CM hasn't).
Yea, here's the thing: You're presented with a dozen foes and incidents and you immediately write them all off without reason.
That's sad, you've got no credibility or backing for your point. You write her off and her whole history entirely.... just because?
Wanna know the context of the Genocide thing? Geno came, fought the league, trashed John Stewart, Firestorm, and Red Tornado utterly and without question head on, then later in a one-on-one fight Diana killed her.
Not according to Superman. Or Batman. Heck, according to Batman, Martian Manhunter isn't in her league.
No, that proves he's somewhat more powerful overall. Which he is, he's the strongest on Earth, and Diana'll even tell you he's more powerful. That's not the same thing as a different league. Well, any more than Captain Marvel isn't in his league (She's done better than Billy against him historically, and Superman rarely uses anything other than physical strength against Batson).
Many people in that 99%, which includes me btw, will tell you that it'll be a good fight. Because it is and has been, on, well, almost every time they've fought with rare exception, and it's a solid amount of fights including some major ones.
What? Sorry, that grammar's just tortured.
Anyway, she's fought a ton of elite top tiers, trans, etc. foes and regularly does well against them. Your argument relies on ignoring pretty much her entire track record because.... what? Because you say so? Because you don't want to? I don't know, you don't actually have much of a point.
No, but neither did Sinestro, and we all know how that turned out (Hint: WW won).
Entirely incorrect. Her avoiding being tossed into the sun and being temp ko'd back into earth's atmosphere isn't her winning the struggle it's her escaping with her life.
She did go after Max but other than trying to stop the hold he had over Superman was the fact she couldn't take a direct assault by him head on which was proven the entire time. She snuck up behind him which more than likely would never happen outside Superman's mindset to clang his eardrums. She then used birds to distract him so she could escape. being woken up in earth's atmosphere because one punch ko'd you isn't showing you are in his league. She was resourceful enough with her abilities to later capitalize on his sheer blood lust.
Most long time Superman fans not me have a huge problem with this as he was so willing to kill when we've seen him in the same exact situation with Lois' pretend death yet he didn't kill calling this completely out of character. To me I see different writers doing whatever they want so inconsistencies happen all the time and as a fan we have to deal with them. That's just my humble opinion.
That situation was the perfect storm for her and she barely did so through even these circumstances and fleeing the scene is a bfr and a loss anyways. Superman definitively proved she can't take his best she needs to run for her life.
Marvel's stalemated him on strength before WW can't do so. Marvel is a peer to Superman on practically every level whereas WW isn't. That's the point. Ww also suckered him in that fight right on the domepiece.
Issue numbers for genocide ? I will look through this myself.
They might respect her as an opponent with comments here or there but come on how many statements could I pull with no one is powerful enough to stop Superman if he loses it or he's the most powerful jla member which includes WW.
How has WW done better against billy than Superman has ?
What have I ignored ?
I am not suggesting she gets just raped I just see her losing this fight.
What issue did Sinestro take on WW ? I may change my opinion too upon reading this.
Underselling Wonder Woman at every available opportunity in order to hype cosmic Marvel, straw-manning author "intent" to further your own argument, misrepresenting the Superman conflict, putting certain herald level characters one step above someone who routinely competes with/stalemates/defeats them. Take your pick.
It has nothing to do with marvel and dc I don't see her with the top brass on the dc side either. I didn't misrepresent the Superman fight at all the Ww side has.
Yes/No, his Quantum Bands are useless against it. He can't manipulate, drain, or otherwise affect it.
That only leaves him with his energy constructs against her. And those things aren't exactly sturdy. The Thing has destroyed them as have others. Diana > the Thing in strength and add in MYSTIC weapons and you got Quasar running for his life.
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