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The Scenario
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I don't see why he wouldn't be able to touch it. Even if he can't use it to kill ganon permanently he can still use the sharp edges to damage enemies or use his bare hands.

Ares is also getting underrated here. He made an entire battlefield barbarians explode made a pocket dimension threw a spear thousands of miles at mach speeds and matched an amped Kratos strength wise.




1:22. The Master Sword can't be touched by evil, and Kratos counts under Zelda's general morality scale.



If Midna counts, I'd say Kratos does, too.


And as for Ares, I was under the impression he'd do generally the same things against Link as he did Kratos. So little of the head popping and things, and Link gets Hope.


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With cis off both link and kratos get killed.

With it on its up in the air.

Kratos drags the MS around, holds ganon in place and lets zelda stab him.

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Nah. If Kratos isn't weilding the Master Sword he stands no chance against Ganon as he won't have protection.

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So Kratos can't wield the magic plot device and Link can't jump.

They both lose. lol


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Protection against what?

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Against Ganon's magic.

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Umm Kratos is already highly resistant to magic attacks without the mastersword.

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So he basically gets a hammer. Still works.


I was thinking the same thing. laughing

I could see Kratos running around with the sword stuck in the block of stone, swinging it at people because of how stubborn he is.


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1:22. The Master Sword can't be touched by evil, and Kratos counts under Zelda's general morality scale.



If Midna counts, I'd say Kratos does, too.


And as for Ares, I was under the impression he'd do generally the same things against Link as he did Kratos. So little of the head popping and things, and Link gets Hope.


Couldn't watch the videos yesterday but I don't see where it explicitly says evil cant touch it? It says it's the sword of evils bane and it just knocks both link and midna back. May not release the tip from the ground or be useable against ganondorf.

Personally I don't think Kratos is all that evil. He's just anger incarnite. He saved greece from the persian invasion and gave up his daughter to save the world from getting destroyed. Moraility wise he's not randomly evil for the sake of it, unlike ganondorf, he just lives in a much harsher world. Wouldn't the MasterSword choose him to take out Ganondorf?

If not does he have to fight barehanded the whole game?!? I remember he got 2 hookshots in TP. Could Kratos possibly attach knives to the tips and use them like the BoC?

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I was thinking the same thing. laughing

I could see Kratos running around with the sword stuck in the block of stone, swinging it at people because of how stubborn he is.
He literally cannot touch it. So no hammer for him.


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Couldn't watch the videos yesterday but I don't see where it explicitly says evil cant touch it? It says it's the sword of evils bane and it just knocks both link and midna back. May not release the tip from the ground or be useable against ganondorf.


It's a couple seconds after the time I gave you, because I was giving the whole description of the sword. The actual quote is at 1:28 where Zelda says, "It is a sacred blade that evil can never touch."

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Personally I don't think Kratos is all that evil. He's just anger incarnite. He saved greece from the persian invasion and gave up his daughter to save the world from getting destroyed. Moraility wise he's not randomly evil for the sake of it, unlike ganondorf, he just lives in a much harsher world. Wouldn't the MasterSword choose him to take out Ganondorf?


Which leads to a conflict of morality. Anger is a cardinal sin, after all. You could say that Zelda isn't as "harsh" a world as God of War (though not an accurate description), so it tends to judge good and evil as more black and white, with little gray. Twilight Princess was changing that a bit, with Midna falling more under the gray end yet still being affected. And technically, Ganondorf's original goal was to secure Hyrule so that his people wouldn't have to suffer and die in the desert. He had entirely good intentions before his desire to rule Hyrule (and the Triforce) consumed him.

If Kratos grew up in Hyrule he might be able to weild it, but he wouldn't be the brutal sociopath we all know.

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If not does he have to fight barehanded the whole game?!? I remember he got 2 hookshots in TP. Could Kratos possibly attach knives to the tips and use them like the BoC?


He could use the normal non-Master Sword, Ball & Chain, Bow & Arrows, Bombs, Boomerang, etc. and probaly rely on Zelda's Light Aeeows to fight Ganondorf. Or the Clawshots I guess.


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But Kratos was around long before the definition of 7 sins unlike link. How could the ms reject him for failing rules he doesn't know of? He was raised in a world that didn't have those definitions.

And also he killed the sisters of fate therefore giving the entire human race freewill. That's pretty meaningfull if you think about it.

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Semantics and shenanigans. The sword is sentient and chooses it's wielder, and evil cannot touch it. Kratos is nothing if not a HUGE JERK. no expression The sword and he would not be friends.


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But it's true. He's just an angry guy because of how his culture raised him aswell as his harsh world and tramatic experiences. Link would be this way too, if he grew up the way Kratos did.

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He literally cannot touch it. So no hammer for him.
What does that mean? What happens if he touches it?


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Probably like a negative magnetic force or something.

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What does that mean? What happens if he touches it?
He can't, so if he does, I dunno, but he can't.
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But it's true. He's just an angry guy because of how his culture raised him aswell as his harsh world and tramatic experiences. Link would be this way too, if he grew up the way Kratos did.
Yes, and Hitler was rejected from art school.


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He can't, so if he does, I dunno, but he can't.


No-Limit fallacy for the win. I think he certainly can wield it, then.


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No-Limit fallacy for the win. I think he certainly can wield it, then.
1. Not biting troll bait.
2. Never specified a lack of limit, only that Kratos can't touch it.


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Kratos isn't completely evil though. He displayed heroic and courageous virtues from time to time. Is he perfect? No way, but he doesn't come off as evil.

Mastersword shouldn't hold him accountable for not abbiding to standards not present in his times. I think he can at the very least touch it.

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