1. if you smoke i call you a pothead nothing insulating about it...
2. im asking.
i have friends who open conversations about weed, work it into the conversation ,no matter the subject, & close the conversation with how they plan on getting high later... to me thats annoying
now the real question is why you being a sore bytch on her period over simple stuff?
Didn't they TRY to outlaw alcohol a while ago? Then everyone got all weepy about it, and then they got violent about it, and the government rolled over and it's legal again.
I don't know if that's actually how it happened, but I think it's something like that.
The difference is people who smoke pot don't have enough motivation or energy to start riots and burn crap down. The opposite is true of people who drink alcohol.
Since the government makes lots of money off of it, now its ok to be a workable person that happens to gamble and drink like a fish..has long as you dont drink and drive and own your own car while doing so..dam lawyers make money too!
Gov't outlaws alcohol. Alcohol use doesn't change but organized crime becomes responsible for distribution. Gov't forced to wage "war" in order to keep things under control. Combination of expense and negative public opinion collapse the whole thing. Taxation on legal alcohol brings in funds to the gov't.
Right now with most drugs we're at the "organized crime funds itself using the stuff and kills countless people while gov't wastes money trying to bring things under control and public opinion gradually heads in favor of legalization".
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It's the same reason most forms of moonshine are illegal. Not only because there is a fear of established companies losing revenue when you can make a mass produced good yourself, but you can't really impose quality controls. It's a good example of when big business, supported wholly by the right's fundamental ideaology, conspires to take away rights from it's own constituents. Adherents of that focused propoganda over the last 100 years have succeeded in making pot a hippie drug (and ad hoc somehow anti-American) when nothing could be further from the truth. It's pretty much an everybody drug. Typically when someone doesn't smoke pot, they haven't even tried it and then they cite "it's illegal!" as their reason.
Should pot become legal, it will be taxed. The real problem they're having with legalizing it, is that unlike tobbacco, pot requires much less curing and processing before it can be consumed. This is why they've tiptoed around in most cases and made medical marijuana legal or legalizing small amounts of pot. It's an experiment to see how well the substance can be controlled.
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However, what is taxed higher? Food, or cigarettes and alcohol? It is certainly directly related to the motivation for the OPs topic. There are on the books what are called vice taxes.
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Well, come on now. Most people eat vegetables, but most vegetable eaters can't or won't go out and build a garden that can sustain their vegetable needs, be it laziness, lack of space and/or knowledge.
Marijuana on the other hand is easy to grow; I've seen marijuana-smokers supply themselves(and others) with just a couple hundred dollars worth of hydroponics and a few plants in a closet. Marijuans becomes legal, set-ups like these will spring up in many househoulds and buying from your neighbors will be better than buying marijuana cigarettes at the store, no taxes and probably higher quality.
There's some company that converts large portable storage units (about large enough to store two cars) into self-contained-solar -powered-marijuana-growing units.
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thats all fine, I'm more pointing out that if the ability for someone to produce something at home cheaper and easier than buying the finished product at the store were grounds for it to be made illegal, than there would be far less things you would be able to grow in your home garden anyways.
However, I can't imagine the number of people who grow pot for personal use is going to increase if it is made legal, and most consumers are probably still just going to want to grab their own already bagged drugs. Growing pot would become no easier or cheaper if weed were legalized, and the risk for people growing small quantities is incredibly low already. I know people who don't grow because of lack of know-how or resources, I don't know anyone who doesn't grow because it is illegal...
Additionally, corporations will be able to hire the best growers, provide the best growing conditions, and mass produce the product to drive down the prices, such that only a very select few would be able to compete with the quality and price of the product they were creating. Home-grown might be more popular than moonshining, but frankly, there is still a ridiculously huge market of people who have no interest in gardening that still want to get high.
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marijuana requires a fair bit of know-how and care to grow properly...
how many garden variety vegetables do you need to sex to prevent ruining the crop? what kind of nutrient cycles do you need to grow tomatoes? true, you probably cant provide your entire vegetable diet with a home garden, but most people don't even have a garden in the first place.
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As a pot smoker, I can assure you I would grow my own. However, I understand that I do not speak for everyone. The free market maximized output and quality issue the corporate alternative would supply is easy to subvert given examples like Robtards. A single well-maintained plant could yeild enough pot for an entire season, depending on the rate at which a person consumed it. There are people in Humboldt County, California, that are doing exactly what Robtard mentioned, right now. For that quality to be acheived so easily and without the taxes slapped on it, it's a no brainer. The biggest issues with growing your own pot is getting caught. You have to keep the plants hidden or watch your electricity consumption and the smell of budding plants, etc. This is much different than growing your own vegetable, which don't yeild as much and are consumed at a higher rate (assumption -given that most people in America would smoke pot before they eat a vegetable)
I don't argue that there are a lot of people interested less in gardening than they are in just getting high. It is one reason there's so much success in mass tobbacco farming, aside from just the curing and taxes. This is why illegal pot is expensive, because you're basically applying the rule of supply and demand on a product that isn't mass produced to meet that demand, relatively.
I absolutely yeild to your point when it comes to rolling a joint, though. That is the biggest pain in the ass. But, if you apply your idea that people don't grow their own vegetables to the pot situation, then it would also be true in buying taxed, mass-produced pot. If you don't smoke cigarettes, then you likely won't be buying them from an independant farmer or a corporate farmer.
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When I was younger, I grew it. Pot-planted the seeds, took the seedlings and replanted them in different places and let nature do the rest. I don't profess to be a wizard with hydroponics, but the old fashiooned way worked fine for me. It was just as good as the stuff I bought off the streets, and actually tasted better.
Perhaps you are making this more scientific than it needs to be.
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I have a significant other than is terrified of it because it is illegal. Besides, having it in your posession is much different than growing it when it is illegal, as under the law it represents two different levels of intent. Plain and simple. We grow vegetable, though. But, given our limited space and the needed amount of vegetables over the course of the year, it is more for fun than to save money or going organic.
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These guys I knew were far from being geniuses and this was before the days of Google and Youtube. As I said, closet+lights, they did well for their own needs.
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ya, but the quality of the stuff that corporations would be able to produce, for fairly cheap, would be far above what is generally available on the street, and I would assume they can provide it for much less than 1000 a qp
I don't think it is "over-sciencing" something to say pot requires more care than tomatoes. Especially the people who freak out over this stuff. The top grade pot is grown with fairly specific nutrient cycles and lighting, etc, that I have never heard of in relation to vegetables.
fair enough.
you would agree that, for personal consumption, growing is a very low risk operation?
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