right, I don't believe the hard problem represents anything other than how pervasive the illusion of consciousness is. I have yet to see any evidence that consciousness is really anything beyond neuronal firing, if you have such evidence, I would love to see it.
which aspect of consciousness do you think isn't explained by neuronal function?
These are either non-conscious avoiders or fundamentally conscious.
Let us assume these are non-conscious avoiders ....these are surviving well without pain, why does senationless, goaless, blind natural selection evolve to feel anything whatsoever?
According to materialism - accidents surviving better ... until consciousess emerges, only then is there a desire/goal to survive or ... no consciousness, no reason, no meaning, no pain....
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Next time you feel a conscious pain, remember it is an illusion
Well the brain is always active, so a materialist is going to claim whatever fMRI, EEG etc. activity occurs must have been the part producing consciousness - it is a non-falsifiable belief
The only way to test it would be somethng like a Near Death Experience but that is heading off topic.
What explanation? I am not religious. I believe in natural selection ... the materialist version though doesn't explain the evolution of consciousness.
Whoever Whirly is, I am not him or her. I can assure you of that.
Any other atheist/materialist would like to (fail to) explain the steps from a non-consicious automations to a conscious sensation via natural selection?
Yeah, this guy's posts smacked pretty clearly of trollish behavior. I'll go ahead and run a check, but even if nothing shows up, I think we'd be better off waiting until a fundamental understand of evolution is displayed by the new member instead of wasting our time.
Instead of claiming I do not understand natural selection. Why do you just not admit 'materialists and atheists cannot explain how a sensation of pain evolved ? Is it too hard for materialists and atheists to be honest?
Sensation or pain is the most primitive requirement of the evolution of conscious minds to occur. According to the principles of materialist natural selection, it evolves from sensation or pain ... but nobody can explain it, not even Richard Dawkins comes anywhere close to explaining how non-conscious processes can become conscious. They are deluding themselves ... yes most materialists and atheists are deluding themselves if they do not admit 'materialists and atheists cannot explain how a sensation of pain evolved
I understand natural selection ... I am afraid others posting in here have faith and promises that consciousness can magically pop out of complexity .... it is bit like arguing TV sets create films because the circuit boards are complex. Correlations do not prove causation.
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All those materialist/atheist artificial intelligence theorists/programmers have magical thinking. None, not a single one has clue how to make a computer feel a sensation or pain.
The two most common mistakes are : -
(1) Using terms implying conscious processes existed prior to their moment of consciousness evolving (i.e. violating their own version of natural selection)
OR
(2) Adding goal setting, a teleological process not allowed in the materialist version of natural selection which must be completely blind and goaless until consciousness emerges in creatures.
Have a go folks, when you tried to do it, you will fail.
Last edited by Parapsychology on May 25th, 2011 at 10:45 AM
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