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Nephthys
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Plus at least Dagoth wasn't a dirty hypocrite. 'We need to stop the Dwemer from creating a new God!' 5 mins later 'Oh sweet, lets all become Gods!'

He was tasked with guarding the tools dammit and he'll do that any way he can!

Though Vivec was always polite too me. :O


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Being polite is the least he could do for turning your woman against you and killing you with her help, and since you are in the position to save Morrowind and he isn't.


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Its only implied he killed Nerevar.

Unless I'm in for a surprise later in the game when he pulls that on me somehow.


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It is strongly implied he is.

Oddly enough, Vivec's sermons is both among the most dishonest pieces of literature in Morrowind, and among the most honest.

Dishonest in that Vivec was obviously trying to make himself out to be much more omnipotent than he really is.

Honest in that he implies with it he did kill Nerevar, as if admitting it out of guilt.

Dagoth Ur was insane, yes, but at least his cause was noble, he wanted to bring down the Empire which basically forcefully annexed them. Vivec allowed this to happen because he feared upsetting Tiber Septum, who being one of the Divines, was a few levels higher on the cosmic ladder than he was.

Dagoth Ur was charming enough that, though you needed to kill him, he came across as a lot more sympathetic than Vivec, and definitely Almalexia. Is hard to tell where Sotha Sil falls into this.

And Vivec is a pompous ass.

"So did you kill me in my past life?"

"FFFFFFFFFFF I AM A GOD DO NOT QUESTION ME."


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So is Sithis the most powerful being in Elder scrolls?


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I thought Jyggalag was?

Didn't all the rest of the Daedric Princes have to conspire against him or something?


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I dont really understand what Sithis is, is he a Deadra or something? or is he another type of being?


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Originally posted by Burning thought
So is Sithis the most powerful being in Elder scrolls?
Yeah, Sithis/Padomay and Anu are the two most powerful beings in the Elder Scrolls, being opposites and equals, Chaos and Stasis, respectively.


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He seems like an abstract concept


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I dont really understand what Sithis is, is he a Deadra or something? or is he another type of being?
It is the primal force of Chaos.

All the Daedra had a basis in its power, they wield but small portions of its might.

Jyggalag is laughably insignifigant compared to Sithis.


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He seems like an abstract concept
In a way.

Sithis and Anu do have a will, however.

Sithis is the huge black nothingness that predates creation, and for some reason that has yet to be properly fleshed out, he desires the souls of the living, hence creating the Dark Brotherhood.


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Interesting how a dark, underground cult are worshiping the most powerful being/beings in the universe while most of the other peoples are worshiping the minor deadra/aedra.


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Interesting how a dark, underground cult are worshiping the most powerful being/beings in the universe while most of the other peoples are worshiping the minor deadra/aedra.
Sithis is not really an appealing kind of thing to worship.

Also, Sithis has little power over that world, for it is created and embodied by Anu, his equal.

The Daedra and Aedra have demonstratable power in their, the Aedra less so.

Sithis' power over it is more limited.


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So in overall power Anu/sithis are greater but the Daedra/Aedra have more practical presence and power in the universe?


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So in overall power Anu/sithis are greater but the Daedra/Aedra have more practical presence and power in the universe?
Well, Anu could kill all the Aedra and Daedra if it wanted to and end the existence it created if it so choosed.

But that would involve the primal force of Stasis to do something.

But inside Anu's domain, yes, the Daedra and Aedra have more effective power than Sithis. Outside of it though, Sithis is greater, particularly in the Void, which is Sithis.

Also, fun fact, the two moons you see in the sky are the remains of the corpse of Lorkhan, who essentially created Mundus, tricking the Aedra into helping him do so.


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Where do you read up on all this lore?

UESPwiki doesn't seem quite that detailed. It doesn't say much about Sithis and what not at all.


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Where do you read up on all this lore?

UESPwiki doesn't seem quite that detailed. It doesn't say much about Sithis and what not at all.
Uesp.net, the stuff I read inside the game, various sites, the occasional TV Tropes, etc...

I take my Elder Scrolls lore as srs bsns.

And actually, a decent amount can be taken from Sithis on uesp.net, if you know how to look.

For instance, Sithis is another name for Padomay (I prefer using the term Sithis because Sithis is much cooler), so any site that has either refers to Sithis.

Also, another fun fact, Anuiel, the totality of creation, is but an aspect of Anu. So an aspect of Anu is the totality of existence, with Sithis equalling Anu.

Stuff.


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Re: Sephiroth in Elder Scrollsverse

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How far up the charts would he be?

I like the ESU more than the FF7verse, but how would they deal with his speed? (Barring the powerful reality warpers and what not, in which case its just obvious.)


In a scenario battle like this, Sephiroth could summon Meteor again(he absorbed the Black-Materia in FFVII), or spread the virus that killed the Cetra(Sephiroth's body is Jenova now) or Geostigma.
And even if they kill him, these things would continue to happen(dead never stopped him from doing anything), and he could come back later through Reunion.


You talk about his speed as if that's the only effective ability he have...
Did you know he can teleport, fly, turn intangible, make illusions, and other things?

*sigh*

Nothing against you, but I'm so tired of people assuming Sephiroth is only a super-soldier with a long sword. Maybe he was, before FFVII, but it's clear that he evolved beyond that, at the time FFVII started.

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In a scenario battle like this, Sephiroth could summon Meteor again(he absorbed the Black-Materia in FFVII), or spread the virus that killed the Cetra(Sephiroth's body is Jenova now) or Geostigma.
And even if they kill him, these things would continue to happen(dead never stopped him from doing anything), and he could come back later through Reunion.


You talk about his speed as if that's the only effective ability he have...
Did you know he can teleport, fly, turn intangible, make illusions, and other things?

*sigh*

Nothing against you, but I'm so tired of people assuming Sephiroth is only a super-soldier with a long sword. Maybe he was, before FFVII, but it's clear that he evolved beyond that, at the time FFVII started.
You did not answer the real question of the thread, aka, where would he be.

Also, he no longer has Meteor, he has a very small fraction of Jenova's body (Or rather he had it, in AC), and Geostigma took prep. smile

Oh, and if he died, he would die. It is the will of the Aedra that those that die in Mundus, have their souls sent to the Dreamsleeve to be recycled. Sephiroth cannot overpower the will of Akatosh.


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